Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-15-2015, 04:22 AM   #1
Rivet Master
 
lsbrodsky's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods , North Carolina
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,687
Is summer camping with 1 AC another compromise?

The first two summers we owned our AS we did not camp in hot weather because we do not like sitting outside in the heat and we do not like being trapped in the trailer.
We just attended a rally that required us to travel in some 95 degree weather. Our AC unit has been fine in shoulder months bringing the temp down nicely for sleeping. But after a day of travel, it seems one AC started up about 4 PM cannot get temp down to 72-74 until the middle of the night when it was 95 during the day and 90 at bed time.
Vents were open, curtains closed during travel. I see plenty of people buying or converting to 2 AC's. I also see advice to stay North in the summer.
Do others, especially in the deep South or Southwest have tips for cold sleeping during summer camping?
Larry
__________________

__________________
lsbrodsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 04:59 AM   #2
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,584
Images: 1
Is summer camping with 1 AC another compromise?

Takes several days in regions of high humidity in a 32'+ trailer on the hot Gulf Coast to come down to 40% with the use of a dehumidifier. This is in somewhat better insulated Silver Streak trailers. At which point the A/C can bring interior temps from 90F to below 80F in a couple of hours.

Absent the high humidity it will take twelve hours or longer to sufficiently cool a trailer to 73F. In all spaces. And all surfaces. Air temps "seem" cooler than this earlier than this, but once one takes to ones bed is the discrepancy apparent.

Two A/C units on a trailer from middle length and up is the way to go, IMO. Even with shade from mid-afternoon onwards it is difficult to keep one of these trailers cool given main door opening and closing.

Awnings, roof coatings and being diligent about air infiltration points all help (as do interior storm windows), but to travel in high heat and then expect the trailer to be cool in regions that DO NOT cool off much at night and have medium to high humidity is asking too much.

I'd say that the cost is low compared to some upgrades seen, and that the largest Avions of the late 1980s used to feature twin furnaces for heating DESPITE having the best insulation of this trailer is another proof about comfort control.

Roof air is quite efficient given a fighting chance. But it's a welterweight against the heavyweight heat of the southernmost swath of the U.S.
__________________

__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 05:03 AM   #3
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,311
Quote:
Originally Posted by lsbrodsky View Post
Is summer camping with 1 AC another compromise?
I live along the Gulf Coast, and to date all of my Airstream camping has been in Gulf Coast states except for a couple of trips to Arkansas. Daytime highs outdoors in the high 90s and overnight lows in the mid-80s aren't at all unusual for me, and coupled with relative humidity in the 80% range besides, so my one-and-only AC— thank you ever so much for that condescending question, by the way— has to work overtime.

The first thing I turn on when I get to a campground is the AC, and it will run constantly until bedtime— and beyond— the first night trying to get the indoor temperature down to my comfort range. Sometimes it doesn't shut off until the wee hours of the morning. But after that, it will generally keep the interior at or below 80° even in the hottest part of the day.

The trick is, stay outside right until you're ready to go to bed, or at least until the bugs drive you indoors. The temperature inside might still be higher than your normal comfort zone, but it's so much cooler than outdoors that just stepping inside feels good, and you'll have no trouble sleeping despite the heat.
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 05:25 AM   #4
Rivet Master
 
Sneakinup's Avatar
 
1977 31' Sovereign
Tampa Bay , ^
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 708
Images: 117
I lived in my previous AS 72' Overlander with one AC for 2 years in Tampa FL while renovating a home. Florida summers are brutal. Fortunately, I had full time 30 amp service and supplemented the work for my AC with a small dehumidifier that was on all the time. It really helped by leaving it on all the time on a medium setting. I had a permanent drain set up to the outside so there was no emptying of buckets of water. When I would get home (to the AS) I would turn on the AC and the trailer would cool down much quicker and be more comfortable. I never wanted for a second AC with this setup. I already purchased a small dehumidifier for my "newer" (77) Airstream to help out. So far so good.
__________________
My 77 Sovereign Renovation
Out in the woods, or in the city, It's all the same to me.
When I'm drivin' free, the world's my home....When I'm mobile.



Sneakinup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:03 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
rodsterinfl's Avatar

 
2006 25' Safari
Fort Myers , Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,429
Images: 8
It is super hot and humid at my home. My first camp with my AS was up the road at a campground- super humid and above 90 with one AC. I can tell you that I have to turn mine down or it gets cold and damp inside- cools down too fast for the humidity to get all the way out. I have it dialed in about right now. Two years ago we went to South Carolina. During part of the stay it was a steam bath of rain and humidity- one AC did just fine. Previous to this I ran a piezo-type dehumidifier like sneakunup mentioned. I have to run the AC continuously in weather like that but monitor the inside humidity/temp. I bought one of those clocks that has both and used it to dial in the comfort. Another issue is that Dometic, assuming what you have, changed compressors and refrigerant somewhere around 2009-10.
__________________
WBCCI 8653/AIR 60240
2017 Ford F-150 3.5 Ecobeast Gen 2 3.55 Platinum
rodsterinfl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:14 AM   #6
4 Rivet Member
 
jayseejay's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB Eddie Bauer
2011 25' FB Flying Cloud
Fernandina Beach , Florida
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 489
We live much of the year in south Florida and do a lot of summer camping in the Keys and elsewhere in the area. Our prior 25 AC with no awning and a single 13.5 btu AC generally could not keep up in combinations of hot days and high humidity in full sun. It was the main reason we traded for our current 2015 27' Eddie Bauer. We have fixed the problem with dual ACs, the greater insulation afforded by ducted air, full awning package, and aftermarket heat rejection 3M film on all windows. Maybe this was overkill, but we wanted to be sure to address the issue. The unit now cools quickly, and stays cool (so far) under even the worst Florida conditions. Best, Joe
__________________
jayseejay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:23 AM   #7
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,407
Images: 5
I'm in southern Florida right now. Have been to the south west as well. One a/c is fine. Small compromise for not carrying all that extra weight and having to have 50 amp hookup. It's really not as big a deal as some would say as far as NEEDING 2 a/c's. Imo
__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:27 AM   #8
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,407
Images: 5
It is taking about 3 hours to cool to 72* after a 97* hot soak run all day. Very high humidity as well, full sun. I have one 13.5k in a 30 footer.
__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:32 AM   #9
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Nowhere , Somewhere
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,417
Blog Entries: 2
Perhaps 72 degrees is overkill. We live in Florida and keep our house at 80 and the trailer the same. Use a fan with your AC. I think this is a Yankee thing as far as how cool it must be in the trailer or house. When we visit relatives in Ohio in the summer we freeze, in the winter we melt. AC is too cool in summer, heat set too hot in winter. Just my observations, Jim
__________________
avionstream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:33 AM   #10
Rivet Master
 
lsbrodsky's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods , North Carolina
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,687
Maybe

Rich,

That is what my thinking was until this week. Maybe I should give AS the benefit of the doubt and assume they figured out years ago that if they installed a big enough unit for cooldown in really hot weather that it would not dehumidify under daily use. But I can see an advantage for the two A/C trailers in that scenario. One unit seems just fine if you let it run all day so that the heat never builds up inside, leaving the setting at say 78 or 80. But cooldown from 95 really never happens until outside temp drops.
In the beginning I said the trailer would sit in storage June-Aug and perhaps I will just stick to that plan.

Larry
__________________
lsbrodsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:39 AM   #11
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,407
Images: 5
There is a lot one can do to improve th a/c performance due to sloppy builds. I am talking about the sealing between the hot and cold halves of the system. The foam under the shroud and using aluminum duct tape inside to seal leaks from hot and cold air flows. Makes a big difference.
__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:39 AM   #12
Rivet Master
 
rodsterinfl's Avatar

 
2006 25' Safari
Fort Myers , Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,429
Images: 8
I too have no issues with one AC and cooling. Most of my camping is in Florida. My unit is an 11K BTU, the smaller one, and it does fine. I have a theory, that the pano windows have a major impact on cooling and heating. Makes sense. There are just too many posts about burning up or cold drafts (winter). What is the area of a pano? I can calculate BTU from that based on a 25' with what I have already from mine.
__________________
WBCCI 8653/AIR 60240
2017 Ford F-150 3.5 Ecobeast Gen 2 3.55 Platinum
rodsterinfl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 06:41 AM   #13
Rivet Master
 
lsbrodsky's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods , North Carolina
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,687
OK, how does the shroud detach?
Larry
__________________
lsbrodsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2015, 07:37 AM   #14
Rivet Master
 
KJRitchie's Avatar

 
2008 25' Classic
Wichita Falls , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,218
I've camped in the Midwest during summer and the best my AC Can do is pull down to the low 80s during the day and mid 70s at night. Anything cooler is uncomfortable for us so it works out. In Zion NP yesterday it was close to 100F but little humidity. Temps in the rear living area was about 80 and the AS was in full sun I have the awning package fully deployed and it keeps the sun off the side windows that were in full sun. When the sun started to set the AC was able to cycle. We usually set the AC fan off Auto so the fan continuously runs. During the evenings here I cracked a bedroom window and turned the AC off and a Fantasic fan on to draw in the night air. No humidity here. Can't do that in the south or Midwest.

My AS has the vinyl ceiling and mouse fur walls so that may provide some additional insulation.

Kelvin
__________________

__________________
2008 Classic 25fb "Silver Mistress"
2015 Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins. Crew Cab, 4x4, Silver
KJRitchie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
We've Had Another Awesome Summer... TRfour Off Topic Forum 4 10-10-2010 10:57 PM
Another trip, another repair swanky Classic Motorhomes 6 07-07-2009 03:24 PM
Reasonable Compromise for TV? Streamer1 Tow Vehicles 16 09-15-2006 09:45 PM
And we thought we were bored (dreaming of summer camping...) Xray Our Community 0 04-08-2004 01:58 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.