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Old 10-23-2007, 04:59 PM   #15
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We started with a CCD 22 then found out people actually full-time in Airstreams. Wow, we didn't know about that. We agree completely with you, we love the shiny interior. We like the easy-clean aspect of all the surfaces and the light reflectance inside is very cool -- one candle anywhere shows up everywhere. We moved up to the 25 last year -- found one a dealer had never gotten around to selling and it was surprisingly in excellent shape -- I guess it didn't get enough traffic.

We are full-timing and the CCD 25 is perfect. We heat with a ceramic heater when on shore power. We maintain temp with catalytic heater otherwise. We are adding a 1/2" thick X 12" high upholstered pad along the headwall of the bed so my hand and wrist don't get cool resting against the headwall. Just the way I sleep on my side with one arm under my head I end up with one hand resting on the wall of the trailer -- it's chilly sometimes. EAsy to fix, will match the Silver Linen upholstery of the mattress cover and the sofa. Hopefully it will look better than new. If not, we'll do something else.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:38 PM   #16
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DreamStreamer -
Sounds like a great solution. We keep looking and looking and looking. I've seen hundreds of A/S for sale - lots of 16' and 30' but NEVER a 22' or 23' CCD. We would purchase it practically sight unseen if we could find it but they are not to be found. Lots of Safari models for sale but not the CCD. I have found vintage A/S but that would be a lot like purchasing a vintage automobile and we plan to puts a lot of miles on our trailer and new TV. Our list of places to visit continues to grow. Our plan continues to be to keep looking for a used CCD and if nothing comes up between now and April, we'll purchase a new CCD ('07 or '08). In the meantime, we will continue to save our $$ until that time arrives. THANK YOU for your comments. Full timing must be a kick!!
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:28 PM   #17
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We have experienced some cold weather (28-30 degree nights) camping in a 19' CCD Bambi, and found the metal interior to be a definite disadvantage. The walls were cold enough to sweat to the point where it soaked some bedding. Also, you had to make sure there was something between you and the wall, beacuse you didn't want to roll over against it at night-it was cold enough to wake you up! I ended up trading places with my wife so I was against the wall, and then we started making up the dinette so that we had two beds and neither of us had to sleep against the metal walls. The fuzzy wall material in a standard Safari is preferable if you are going to be in cold conditions very often. We have tried both, and since we like to camp in colder weather, we would avoid buying a CCD for these reasons.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:19 AM   #18
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Very, very interesting....I think that is the best info I've heard. I think you make some very good points that are worth considering - especially the rolling against the COLD wall during the night. That would bring you awake
in no time, wouldn't it??? Hmmm, need to think about this very carefully.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:43 AM   #19
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Get the 23'. We started with a 19" CCD and traded for a 25" CCD less than a year later. Had we got a 23' to start with we would have never traded.
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Old 10-28-2007, 04:56 PM   #20
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Another option if you like the aluminum interior walls but like the Safari design better than the CCD is to get a Safari SE which is sort of a hybrid between the two...it has the Safari interior package but with the aluminum interior walls. We love the non-fuzzy interior, btw...(we used to have an SOB with the cloth ceiling and didn't like the way it got dirty over time...so we opted for the aluminum interior)...

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Old 10-28-2007, 05:54 PM   #21
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It's a tradeoff

Pilgrim----As a CCD owner,the bare inside walls will be cold to the touch when it's cold outside. The thermal isolators that 2Air described help, but the walls are still colder than fabric covered inner walls. This all results in colder interior air.

You trade the clean looks of the bare aluminum for some loss in thermal comfort. It's an individual preference. We try to keep our hands and feet off the walls, less fingerprints to clean. We also throw an extra blanket on the bed. No big deal. Pick the interior that you like. The thermal stuff is definitely secondary.
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Old 10-28-2007, 06:38 PM   #22
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We agree!!! We both like the clean designer look of the CCD. Even though the Safari SE has the panaramic windows and some aluminum on the inside, it isn't a CCD. We keep seeing Safari's but they just won't do. You're right, it is such a matter of personal preference - it's easy to see why AS has made so many models over the years - no one model will satisfy all. Now, if we could just find a used 23' CCD.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:18 AM   #23
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talking about insulation I figured out that on my 28' CCD 2007 the back wall in the bedroom is really cool and a lot of condensation built up on the window as on the wall just behind the mattress and around the window alum edge.
I first felt the cold air coming up from underneath the bed where the storage is.
So I caulked and put foam in all the opening. That makes things better.
But I still have some draft. And as I said the wall between the bottom of the bed where the mattress sits and the window is cold.
With the cushions and mattress I know that this wall is not as much heated as the other ones.
So I wonder if there is any insulation in that part of the wall. I'll check that tomorrow.
Have you ever experience that?
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:42 AM   #24
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One thing I noticed in shopping for a used Bambi Safari is that a couple of the units I looked at with fuzzy walls and carpet had a distinct odor that permeated the trailer. One smelled like old grease and cigarettes and the other must have had some type of electrical fire. Not an option at any price. So it all depends on the lifestyle of the previous owner when buying used.

When I found a CCD it was the choice for me.
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Possible fix for cold interior aluminum walls ...

Back in the late 1950s and early 1960s, when all Airstreams had Zolatone painted aluminum interior walls, the most costly "International" trim models had a ~ 2 foot high padded fabric panel lengthwise along the outside metal wall of the bed(s). The padded fabric kept the cold metal away from the sleeper and provided some "warmth".

An easy fix for today's similar CCD concern would be to add a padded fabric panel along the outside wall of each bed. Cotton batting could be used for the padded insulation. Match the interior factory fabic, compliment your bed cover, or use a neutral color. Any of them would separate the cold bare metal wall from the outside sleeper without overtaking the clean interior look.
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:32 AM   #26
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Duff, yeah we were surprised at the draft from under the bed. the cargo compartment doors are weatherstripped but door needed adjustment to seal to the weatherstripping. Better now.

WeeWind, seems like easy and effective after-market treatment to add the cushion of any kind just around the bed. We're gonna do it soon, will post pix.
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Duff, yeah we were surprised at the draft from under the bed. the cargo compartment doors are weatherstripped but door needed adjustment to seal to the weatherstripping. Better now.

WeeWind, seems like easy and effective after-market treatment to add the cushion of any kind just around the bed. We're gonna do it soon, will post pix.
It's better now but I still have some heavy condensation point... so not too perfect so far... but way better and I also noticed that the cargo door needs adjustment.
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