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Old 08-29-2008, 12:16 PM   #15
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It seems a shame to spend all the money and time to completely replace the heater if I don't have to.

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Unfortunately, you will find out "that you have to" when your on a trip.

I would bet that 999 people out of 1000, on this Forums, would tell you to do it, before you make another trip.

Replacing things when they fail, usually brings many headaches with it, along with, as in your case, a wet floor and/or carpet, and a ruined trip.

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Old 08-29-2008, 09:28 PM   #16
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Repairing things seems to be a lost art in America , how sad .
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:08 AM   #17
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Repairing things seems to be a lost art in America , how sad .
NOT SO!!!!!!!!!!

I repair and restore many items, but you have to realize that there is a value point to be considered. You are talking about a 43 year old water heater, with 43 year old technology.

As Andy says, the product has exceeded it's useful life. Remember that we are talking about a water heater here......not a vintage car or something else of potential value that is well worth restoring, particularly if you have an 'attachment' to said item......but a water heater???????????

By new technology, I mean dual electric/lp operation, DSI (direct spark ignition) that eliminates a wasteful and sometimes dangerous pilot light, and far better hot water recovery times. I won't even get into the tankless side of things and other emerging technologies that combine water heating and coach heating in the same unit.

And then there is the safety factors. Working on LP appliances is seemingly simple, but with a lurking danger of improperly made flares, flare nuts that are not tight enough or worse.....overtightened, and other potentially life threatening issues. LP gas is nothing to fool around with if you don't know what you are doing.

For a 43 year old water heater....just suck it up, spend the $$$$$$ the first time and sleep well at night.....BUY THE NEW ONE!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-30-2008, 04:12 AM   #18
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hi there;
just a leak problem with my "cold water heater too...
So mine is a 9.9 gal and what is the best replacement and where to find it ?

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Old 08-30-2008, 06:09 AM   #19
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NOT SO!!!!!!!!!!

I repair and restore many items, but you have to realize that there is a value point to be considered. You are talking about a 43 year old water heater, with 43 year old technology.

As Andy says, the product has exceeded it's useful life. Remember that we are talking about a water heater here......not a vintage car or something else of potential value that is well worth restoring, particularly if you have an 'attachment' to said item......but a water heater???????????

By new technology, I mean dual electric/lp operation, DSI (direct spark ignition) that eliminates a wasteful and sometimes dangerous pilot light, and far better hot water recovery times. I won't even get into the tankless side of things and other emerging technologies that combine water heating and coach heating in the same unit.

And then there is the safety factors. Working on LP appliances is seemingly simple, but with a lurking danger of improperly made flares, flare nuts that are not tight enough or worse.....overtightened, and other potentially life threatening issues. LP gas is nothing to fool around with if you don't know what you are doing.

For a 43 year old water heater....just suck it up, spend the $$$$$$ the first time and sleep well at night.....BUY THE NEW ONE!!!!!!!!!!
Lew I agree with you as it pertains to post#1 , my comment was in reference to post #12 , it's just a knob , according to the poster everything works .
I guess I'm that 1 in a 1000 .
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:10 AM   #20
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hi there;
just a leak problem with my "cold water heater too...
So mine is a 9.9 gal and what is the best replacement and where to find it ?

bruno.
There are several different models that you can chose from.

Gas, gas electric, electric, DSI, DSI & electric.

DSI, direct spark ignition.

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Old 08-30-2008, 09:33 AM   #21
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Lew I agree with you as it pertains to post#1 , my comment was in reference to post #12 , it's just a knob , according to the poster everything works .
I guess I'm that 1 in a 1000 .
The knob is a very temporary solution to the obvious, of a failure, and really isn't the question.

43 years for a water heater is at more than twice the average age limit.

When his water heater fails, he more than likely will be on a trip, that's ruined as well as probably causing damage to the trailer, as well.

Lew and I see all to often, owners that wait to replace the water heater, until it's very last breath. That is not a wise choice to make. Then those same owners, must usually have other repairs made, because of the water heater leaking.

Will the owner be standing by when the water heater goes, or will the water slowly run out onto the floor and ruin it as well, since the owner was nor standing by?

Extra expenses, here they come, and when they do, they can get steep.

A wise owner, will opt for a replacement, "BEFORE" the music starts.

And when that music starts, sympathy will be nowhere to be found.

Dealing with customers is usually great. But when a shop must inform a customer that they "waited too long" and here's the estimate to replace the water heater and to "FIX" the damage it's leaking has caused, the looks on their faces hits the ground, and you, as the dealer, are looking for an oxygen tank or calling 911 to get them some help.

Many things in life, are a gamble. Pushing a replacement for a severely out dated water heater, is not one a wise one to take.

Most always, an insurance company will refuse coverage because of age.

But, if someone doesn't mind putting up with a ruined trip, and has tons of extra money to cover "ALL" the resultant damages, then I would say, "Go for it."

Thank goodness we have laws that don't allow people to run tires until they are way past needing replacement, like bald. But that could be life threatening, and a water heater doesn't do that.

As a long time shop owner, sometimes you just "give up" trying to help someone, that doesn't want to help themselves.

Shop owners always have a handy supply of aspirin tablets and pain pills handy, for themselves.

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Old 08-30-2008, 10:26 AM   #22
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Usually attempting to remove the gas control valve on a water heater thats 25 years old or more, results in twisting the tank fitting, which ruins the tank.

After 43 years, I believe you got your moneys worth, since that appliance has out lasted it's life expectancy.

Replacing the complete water heater, at this point, will save you some gray hair.

If you purchase a valve for the water heater now, and then find out that you need the entire water heater, you will be stuck with the valve, since old parts like that are hard to find, and are not usually returnable since it would be a special order.

If not already done so, you should address the axle. If it's the original, please be informed that 1968 and older Bambi and Caravel axles, because of the small spindle, are failing to a high degree. We replace them better than one per week.

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Thanks for the Axle advice. I replaced it 2 years ago. It broke about 100 miles from home and we had to have it loaded on a trailer, taken to Gunnison, CO and replaced. All is well in that vain now.

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Ok, so I choose to replace the heater? How do I get the old one out and the new one in? On first glance it appears I need to take the bathroom sink out to get to the heater. I'm open to suggestions.

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Thanks for the Axle advice. I replaced it 2 years ago. It broke about 100 miles from home and we had to have it loaded on a trailer, taken to Gunnison, CO and replaced. All is well in that vain now.

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So you can be added to the list of owners that had "It break on a trip?"

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Ok, so I choose to replace the heater? How do I get the old one out and the new one in? On first glance it appears I need to take the bathroom sink out to get to the heater. I'm open to suggestions.

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Please post a photo of the exterior where the water heater is located, inside and out.

I will try and help you from there.

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