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Old 03-11-2011, 01:52 PM   #15
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We all make our choices.

In general it is not possible to ignite a gasoline puddle from the height at which a furnace, water heater, or fridge is installed. The ignition source has to be within a few inches of the surface of the puddle, even if the puddle is large. Try it sometime.

A hot exhaust manifold poses the same risk as its surface temperature will exceed the ignition point of gasoline.
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:15 PM   #16
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Hmmm, glad to read all of these replies. I was always told it was unsafe to use any LP appliance while traveling. However, I admit it was a PITA to try to keep food from spoiling during our recent 2400 mile jaunt. Unless someone tells me different, we may try running the fridge next trip. However, I thought they had to be level to avoid damage? Anyone?
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:19 PM   #17
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As long as your trailer is in motion you don't need to worry so much about the frig being level...the movement does the trick.
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Old 03-13-2011, 09:27 PM   #18
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How many fires have you heard about at gas pumps while the fridge or furnace was on in an RV?

These appliances are made by companies that know people travel with them on and they protect the pilots and main flame from wind. If there's a fire, I think a products liability suit would be appropriate and you can call lawchick.

There are a few places that prohibit you to travel with the propane on—ferries, a tunnel at Norfolk and Manitoba. I think one of the maritime provinces also has a ban on propane being on and maybe the NYC bridges.

This topic comes up periodically and it seems the great majority travel with the fridge on. Spoiled food is not so good for you either.

We've traveled through some pretty cold mornings—down to 20˚, but didn't leave the furnace on since it warmed up pretty quickly and the movement keeps the water in the tanks moving instead of freezing. There's enough residual heat in the trailer to keep the pipes warm for several hours.

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Old 03-13-2011, 09:37 PM   #19
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I have run the fridge on propane every time I have traveled for the last 20 or so years and ocassionally I operate the furnace during freezing weather, while in route, without any problem. Other things to consider; last year I was involved in a wreck with my trailer where the gas tanks were knocked loose from the trailer and were leaking gas since the valves were open. We did not catch on fire. We were extremely lucky. Also, I have seen one fire where a fridge gas leak was ignited while a trailer (sob) was in transit.
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I repeat!

Hi, the number one cause of fires at gas stations is from women, not RV's.
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Hi, the number one cause of fires at gas stations is from women, not RV's.
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In the interest of safety first, the rule is to shut off all ignition sources while fueling, taking on Propane, and or parked in an enclosed work area where flammable material is being used or stored.
I usually am fueling at the diesel pump and the risk is low, however, I always shut off the furnace or fridge, before entering the pump island area. Better safe than sorry. You owe it to the other people in the vicinity to do your part to ensure the safety of all. Its just a matter of flipping the switch!

Just like the rule - you don't make sparks around a charging battery. You can maybe get away with it many times but, if you do it often enough, the odds will catch up to you.

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It is more than a matter of flipping a switch. It means stopping before the island, possibly on the side of the road, or within the gas station area blocking traffic. This increases the risk of an accident. Then you get out of the tow vehicle (some risk, however small, of someone running you down) and go back to the trailer and walk around the back to the door, put down the stairs, unlocking the door, going inside and flipping the switch (actually pushing a button in ours), going back outside (possibly tripping on the steps and doing a face plant), closing the door, getting back in the tow vehicle, pulling up to the island, filling up, leaving to somewhere to park again and repeat the process in reverse before you go with similar risks. I wonder which collection of risks is more likely—both approaches have risk.

Whatever the risk of leaving applicances on during fueling, now there are rubber seals on the fueling nozzles to prevent the escape of gas fumes.

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Gene makes a valid point. As a practical matter it is extremely awkward to enter the trailer and turn the fridge off and on before and after fueling. In many fueling situations there's no good place to do it, out of traffic, away from the pumps, and where there is sufficient room to maneuver.

There was a brief span of years where Airstream used a 9-pin umbilical connector that had some sort of provision for shutting off the fridge from the tow vehicle. It was dropped when the big 3 started offering 7-way RV connectors as options and in some cases standard equipment on trucks and vans.
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ALWAYS extinguish propane pilot lights in recreational
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The above is a quote from page 3 of the following!


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It is more than a matter of flipping a switch. It means stopping before the island, possibly on the side of the road, or within the gas station area blocking traffic. This increases the risk of an accident. Then you get out of the tow vehicle (some risk, however small, of someone running you down) and go back to the trailer and walk around the back to the door, put down the stairs, unlocking the door, going inside and flipping the switch (actually pushing a button in ours), going back outside (possibly tripping on the steps and doing a face plant), closing the door, getting back in the tow vehicle, pulling up to the island, filling up, leaving to somewhere to park again and repeat the process in reverse before you go with similar risks. I wonder which collection of risks is more likely—both approaches have risk.

Whatever the risk of leaving applicances on during fueling, now there are rubber seals on the fueling nozzles to prevent the escape of gas fumes.

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ALWAYS extinguish propane pilot lights in recreational

vehicles,campers, motorhomes and other

vehicles before refueling the vehicle.

The above is a quote from page 3 of the following!



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Hi, I just don't understand Canada! In Canada, you can tow an Airstream with a Mini-Cooper, but in USA you have to have a Kenworth. In Canada, You only have to be ten feet away from the gas pumps to smoke cigarettes, but in USA you have to be twenty five feet away.
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DON’T smoke within 7.5
metres (25 feet) of a gasoline

pump (3 metres or 10 feet in Ontario).



Must be the metric conversion that makes it safe.
Trudeau told us it would make everything we do easier back in 1969 when we changed to metric.
Myself - - I'm still trying to make it work.

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Hi, I just don't understand Canada! In Canada, you can tow an Airstream with a Mini-Cooper, but in USA you have to have a Kenworth. In Canada, You only have to be ten feet away from the gas pumps to smoke cigarettes, but in USA you have to be twenty five feet away.
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I think you have to have your propane tanks recertified in Canada sooner than the US—10 years vs. 12 years if I recall correctly. Maybe that's why you can smoke closer to the gas pump (in your Mini).

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It's the metric cigarettes. They're safer.
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