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Old 08-25-2017, 04:37 AM   #1
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Furnace Troubleshooting

I've got a '78 AS Excella with a asuburban heater. When I turn the thermostat up the fan turns on, but the unit never ignites. I've tried starting the unit about 4 times in a row this morning with no luck. The gas is on and the batteries have a good charge.

What steps should I take to troubleshoot this problem?
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:53 AM   #2
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Good article

http://wbcci.org/component/jdownload...rv-iii-propane
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:02 PM   #3
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Does your furnace have a pilot light, or a Piezo-style igniter? Can you see or hear the combustion chamber from either the outside or inside of the AS? Please describe anything you hear or see during the failed lighting sequence.

Do your other propane appliances work right, such as the water heater and stove cooktop burners?

If I had to guess, I would consider two possible causes:

-- a sail switch which has gone bad
-- the mother board is shot

To diagnose these two possibilities, you would have to know some HVAC diagnostics information and have the right meters etc.. I would call an RV HVAC service or take the AS in.

We had both things happen in our old 1988 25' AS. If you search above in the blue-bordered Google-powered search box, for those terms, you will find other threads which might be helpful.

Good luck!

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Old 08-25-2017, 08:43 PM   #4
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To the best of my knowledge 1978 suburbans were not pilotless ignition. They have a pilot light much like most of your home gas water heaters. You need to light it.
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Old 08-27-2017, 11:22 AM   #5
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Sorry for the delayed response. We were camping this weekend with spotty cell coverage.

I'm not sure if the furnace has a pilot or not. I've looked inside the access panel and doesn't seem to be a way to manually light pilot.

The instructions say run the fan for 5 minutes without gas, then turn furnace off, turn gas on and run furnace. If this doesn't work then repeat. I've don't if about 5 times in a row. I haven't heard anything other than the fan running.
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Sorry for the delayed response. We were camping this weekend with spotty cell coverage.

I'm not sure if the furnace has a pilot or not. I've looked inside the access panel and doesn't seem to be a way to manually light pilot.

The instructions say run the fan for 5 minutes without gas, then turn furnace off, turn gas on and run furnace. If this doesn't work then repeat. I've don't if about 5 times in a row. I haven't heard anything other than the fan running.
What do the instructions say about a pilot light, or Piezo-type igniter? Is there a separate booklet for the furnace? If you have a pilot light, most mfg. manuals will have very clear instructions with photos for how to light the pilot light. You should hear a Piezo igniter's sparking sound if it is working right.

You might just have a loose connection. I would check all electrical connections in the furnace's mechanical space. There are probably a bunch of spade type terminals which you can pull off and put back [carefully by not pulling on just the wire]. Check each spade, when exposed, to make sure there is no corrosion. With a unit as old as yours, you should trace all the wiring and make sure that there are no spots worn off, or signs of corrosion where crimps attach to the wire. If your trailer has been near salt water in NC, corrosion could be an issue, and hard to find, as it is often hidden inside the wires. You might have enough juice to power the fan, but the furnaces "brain" will not let it ignite if the voltage is too low, due to internal corrosion or low batteries.

Are your batteries fully charged? What is the voltage on your monitor panel? Please review Post #3 also for other possibilities.

Good luck!

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Update

I finally had time to do some trouble shooting. Still no heat but I have determined the sail switch works and that there is spark in the heater. I can see the igniter trying to light through the peep hole. But nothing ever ignites.

Does this igniter light a pilot light or the burner?
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AFAIK, if you have an igniter there is no pilot. Before the igniter starts you should hear a click as the control board turns on the gas. You may not be able to hear it because of the fan. Put something (a screwdriver for example) on the gas valve and press the other end to your ear to conduct the sound directly.

You should also be able to measure 12V at the gas valve.

If you don't have 12V the control board may be bad. If you have 12V on the valve and no gas, the valve may be bad. Check to make sure the ground wire is making a good connection to the trailer body.

Some trailers have a gas shutoff valve for each appliance. Unless this worked before and you haven't changed the valve or no one else has, follow the gas line to see if you have one and make sure it is turned on.



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furnace

tried putting the furnace on a ATWOOD (HYDRO FLAME) in my 2008 safari ..the fan works ....just cold air

there is a red flashing light that come on and in the manual diagnostic chart it says
ignition lockout fault ...3 flashes
could also be Flame sense fault
it says nothing about fixing the problem...any ideas???
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A long shot.

I think if you saw the light you can also see some of the wiring. Power it down. Look for a scotch-lock wire tap. It taps one wire onto an existing wire without cutting main wire. Jiggle it a little. Close it up and try again.
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While the furnace is trying to light, smell the outside exhaust. You will have to cycle power on the furnace to clear the red light before trying this. You should smell propane. If not, either there is a wiring problem (bad ground or bad connection), the gas valve is bad, the sail switch is bad, or the control board is bad. If you smell propane, the burner tube may be clogged, the igniter may be bad, or the control board may be bad.

My igniter failed. If you have access to an ohmmeter, power down the furnace, disconnect the spark lead at the igniter and measure the resistance between the igniter spark terminal and ground using the highest scale on the meter. It should be open, i.e. no deflection of the meter. Mine was 200,000 ohms. Pretty high, but not high enough. The leakage was enough to prevent the voltage from building enough to create a spark.

Check out the manual I posted above.

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This will tell you the sequence of the ignition and troubleshooting. If you get yourself very familiar with this document you will have all the information to effectively troubleshoot your furnace.

http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Nic...an_Furnace.pdf

Best not to guess, go through the sequence item by item.
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it worked!!!!!

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A long shot.

I think if you saw the light you can also see some of the wiring. Power it down. Look for a scotch-lock wire tap. It taps one wire onto an existing wire without cutting main wire. Jiggle it a little. Close it up and try again.
thank you so much,i got in there and moved all the wires around,and sure enough,it worked!!!!!
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Great you might have a temporary fix that got it going. But that's just it, possibly temporary. If it happens again try to isolate to a single wire.

If you'd like a pic of the wire I repaired send me pm with email I can't post pics here.

Happy thanksgiving

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