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09-07-2014, 08:13 PM
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#262
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Rivet Master
2018 33' Classic
2015 30' FB FC Bunk
2012 30' Flying Cloud
Grand Rabbits
, Michigan
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 612
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two air, or not two air? That is the question....
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09-07-2014, 08:26 PM
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#263
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3 Rivet Member
2020 30' Classic
2016 30' Classic
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 203
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lsbrodsky
Take a serious look at the bulk and weight of a 50 amp shore power cord and see if you want to deal with that every time you camp, especially if you do not think you need two AC units for your style of camping. We do not camp in the summer heat because part of camping is being outside a good deal; we do not want to be forced into the trailer because it is too hot outside. 50 amp service would be a waste for us.
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You can buy a 15 ft 50 amp chord. I have one. It only weighs just north of 10 lbs. I got tired of the bulky and heavy 25 footer. Most of the time you are within a few feet of the electrical box and 25 ft chord is totally unnecessary.
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09-08-2014, 08:51 PM
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#264
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,223
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The dealer tossed a mediocre 30' 50 amp cord into the back of the trailer. It resides at home along with a 14' extension to take power from the house to the trailer when we are loading out for a trip.
I ordered the 15' 50 amp cord captioned above, but will also continue to carry the 36' primary 50 amp cord and the 14' 50 amp extension cord as we have been one place we needed that 50' length. I also have a 50 amp to 15 amp pigtail to use with a regular extension cord at the storage unit to keep the battery bank charged since the trailer is under roof out of the sun, but not the heat....
We carry several adapters to use a standard 30 amp trailer plug, or a split cord with two 30 amp plugs or one 30 and one 20 amp with an adapter.
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TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell
2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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09-08-2014, 09:01 PM
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#265
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Rivet Master
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Hoover
, Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,530
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I want the 15 foot 50 amp cord! How much
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09-09-2014, 05:40 AM
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#266
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,223
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The cost was $129.99 on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Conntek-14455-...15%27++rv+cord
With state tax and shipping via mail, it sucked $156.80 out of the wallet.
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TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell
2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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09-09-2014, 12:39 PM
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#267
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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When I get another 50 amp shore cord, I intend to leave the other one at home- lying permanently behind the shrubs, so all I have to do at home is pick it ip and plug it in.
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2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
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09-10-2014, 01:52 PM
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#268
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 61
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Question for those of you with the new ducted system. Seems everyone agrees it is much quieter than the standard a/c.
But since it is a "cooling" system after all, and given the ducting is made of heat-conductive aluminum and is routed between two aluminum skins with some insulation, how does it cool? Is the single 15K unit sufficient for the 25/27ft trailers? And if you have not actually camped in hot climates, maybe some of you have tested the system at a dealer's lot when it was fairly hot/humid outside and can chime in.
I realize cooling is a relative measure and is directly related to the outside temperature. But since I live in Texas, a/c is very important.
Thanks, John
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09-10-2014, 03:11 PM
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#269
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2013 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2012 20' Flying Cloud
Small Town
, *** Big Sky Country ***Western Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neck101
Question for those of you with the new ducted system. Seems everyone agrees it is much quieter than the standard a/c.
But since it is a "cooling" system after all, and given the ducting is made of heat-conductive aluminum and is routed between two aluminum skins with some insulation, how does it cool? Is the single 15K unit sufficient for the 25/27ft trailers? And if you have not actually camped in hot climates, maybe some of you have tested the system at a dealer's lot when it was fairly hot/humid outside and can chime in.
I realize cooling is a relative measure and is directly related to the outside temperature. But since I live in Texas, a/c is very important.
Thanks, John
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This Again! Did you read the preceding pages?
Based on 51 days out in the AS this season and 21 with the new ducted ...Yes, the single AC cools very efficiently in 95-100 degree temps in our 25' Eddie Bauer ... both with and without shade and both in campgrounds and the dealership lot. It is SIGNIFICANTLY more even cooling than previous models. We have not needed additional fans to "redistribute" the cold * or heat - as we now have temps hovering around freezing.
We have two fantastic fan openings and a skylight - in addition, there is also an Eddie Bauer metal vented opening at the front (and also rear side).
The additional insulation is a plus and quite noteworthy as mentioned before. I have no idea just what your ambient temperature is and whether you want advice on a 25 or 27; they are different.
Better than taking a stranger's word for it, may I suggest that you visit your local dealer and see for yourself.
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09-10-2014, 07:57 PM
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#270
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Yesterday, we converted both air conditioners to the prior version of condensate pan and the noise reduction was very noticeable and it seems to cool more effectively. We tossed the two dinky plastic condensate catch cups on each unit that rattled against the outer skin.
Today, we started the air conditioner at 102 outside with no shade in high humidity Dallas area. In about 40 minutes the trailer was cooled down to the high 70s.
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TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell
2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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09-10-2014, 08:24 PM
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#271
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,508
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switz
Yesterday, we converted both air conditioners to the prior version of condensate pan and the noise reduction was very noticeable and it seems to cool more effectively. We tossed the two dinky plastic condensate catch cups on each unit that rattled against the outer skin.
Today, we started the air conditioner at 102 outside with no shade in high humidity Dallas area. In about 40 minutes the trailer was cooled down to the high 70s.
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Just another example of Airstream 'paddling against the tide' from the rest of the RV industry! They use a single A/C gasket now when using the Dometic aux. drip kit when the specification from Dometic is for TWO gaskets! This raises the drip cups off the roof so the DON'T RATTLE and are not sandwiched between the roof and the base pan of the A/C unit.
Funny, how everyone else in the industry has no problems with the drains of their A/C units........except Airstream!
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09-10-2014, 09:59 PM
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#272
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 61
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mefly2
This Again! Did you read the preceding pages?
Based on 51 days out in the AS this season and 21 with the new ducted ...Yes, the single AC cools very efficiently in 95-100 degree temps in our 25' Eddie Bauer ... both with and without shade and both in campgrounds and the dealership lot. It is SIGNIFICANTLY more even cooling than previous models. We have not needed additional fans to "redistribute" the cold * or heat - as we now have temps hovering around freezing.
We have two fantastic fan openings and a skylight - in addition, there is also an Eddie Bauer metal vented opening at the front (and also rear side).
The additional insulation is a plus and quite noteworthy as mentioned before. I have no idea just what your ambient temperature is and whether you want advice on a 25 or 27; they are different.
Better than taking a stranger's word for it, may I suggest that you visit your local dealer and see for yourself.
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Wow...guess I drilled into a healthy nerve!
I did read the previous 5 pages and all I saw was one report with the outside air temp being around 86 degrees and 78 degrees inside....I was simply looking for more replies, especially in hotter weather.
I realize ducted a/c alone will increase circulation...just wanted to know if the aluminum skin on top of the ducting was significantly affecting the temperature of the cooled air at the outlets. I agree the insulation should help. But never having owned an airstream, I notice that a common complaint is the hot/cold inner skin due to limited insulation.
As to my 25/27ft query, I have noticed that most of the 2014 and earlier 27 footers had 2 a/c systems, while many of the 2015s have only one. That in itself would lead me to believe the new system is more efficient.
And yes I will be checking out dealer units at the Dallas RV show this weekend. Only "problem" is we will have much cooler weather and therefore I probably won't get an honest test.
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09-12-2014, 11:30 AM
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#273
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Rivet Master
2015 30' International
2009 27' FB International
2007 25' Safari
Currently Looking...
Greensboro
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,564
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It will be interesting after a period of several months if we find out the ducted A/C is so much better that the second unit is not necessary for the vast majority of units.
An interesting phenomenon is that so far from my experience, when the Zone 1 is on, the most air flow is in the bedroom, and Zone 2, more is up front in my 30 RB. Also, there should be a fix to the outlets in the bedroom so they do not blow in one's face when the fan is running at any speed.
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09-12-2014, 07:21 PM
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#274
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Refugee from Napa, CA
2015 25' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Formerly Napa
, On the road
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 614
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In my 25 there is no need for zones. It works great and is considerably quieter.
I love it.
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09-13-2014, 02:58 AM
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#275
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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We need zones.
I'm always freezing.
My wife is always burning up.
We need 2 televisions.
I'm more "This Old House".
She's more "Dancing With the Stars".
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
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09-13-2014, 07:11 AM
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#276
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3 Rivet Member
2015 27' FB International
2011 25' FB International
Lafayette
, Louisiana
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 218
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The good news, is I bet there will be aftermarket owner installable operational, diversion, and flow control, vents to replace the lent catching screen, that is used from Jackson Center. If your inventor you could make a few bucks....
1. Must be out of aluminum with a clear coat.
2. Attractive.
3. Simple.
4. Cost efficient.
5. Direct the air to where you want it.
6. Close down or close off the vent air flow.
Simple.... I will purchase a set!
Now you can have your 2015 A/C Zoned... very simple.
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09-13-2014, 07:48 AM
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#277
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Rivet Master
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2022 Atlas
Homosassa
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2010
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If you have two units you can leave one off. If you have one unit and need two you have a problem.
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09-13-2014, 07:52 AM
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#278
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3 Rivet Member
2015 27' FB International
2011 25' FB International
Lafayette
, Louisiana
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 218
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Thats is why I have two.... for the extra hot days.....
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09-13-2014, 08:22 AM
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#279
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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I'm cold. I'm running the heat pump up front.
My wife is hot. She's running the air conditioner in the back.
You can't do that with one unit.
For me it is moot/not a point of contention. I already have the trailer and it already has 2 a/c units.
Most dealers in the south order the units for inventory with 2 a/c's.
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2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
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09-13-2014, 06:49 PM
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#280
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
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If you have a single Dometic CCC-2, I don't believe that it will allow you to operate separate zones on heat and cool from the different roof units.
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RVIA/RVDA Nationally Certified Master Tech
Master Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
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