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Old 12-19-2010, 02:48 PM   #29
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Anne, I just realized that I have a "Big Buddy" Mr. Buddy heater and the quick disconnect is on the left side behind the swivel up regulator. I guess that is not an option on the reg. Mr. Buddy. Sorry.
On this web site, I found more details on the Big Buddy quick connector for regulated propane supply:

"Question:
Can I hook my Big Buddy to my regulated propane source in my mobile home, or RV?

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If your propane source is regulated you can hook it to the unregulated quick coupler connection on the left hand side of the heater using our # F271802 hose and quick coupler connection."
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Old 12-19-2010, 03:33 PM   #30
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Roy two things wrong with this installation. 1) that shut off valve is for wtare not gas. 2) No shut offs are allowed inside a trailer- code violation.
Chris,

This item is sold at Camping World:
Mr Heater Corp - Propane/Natural Gas Connector Kit w/ Shutoff Valve - Propane Accessories - Camping World

Would it have to be installed below the belly pan, and an extension hose connected, also, at that exterior location?

All of my appliances have shut-off valves in-line, inside. They do not look like this kit, but like the valve with the red handle, only all brass (?), and I have to say, I have not seen one installed anywhere that looks like the one with two yellow grippers, not that I see lots of gas valve installations. Outside my house, the gas to our gas fire starter looks like a water shut-off, the third picture, with a yellow handle.

Now I am wondering if I should change anything about how the valves are installed inside. It seems like a safety issue, to have a ready shut-off near an appliance in case a grease fire occurs, or some other kind of accident with the appliance itself, to get the gas off inside and then hurry outside to shut off at the tanks, or just run like h#&& while dialing 911.

I don't want to be a cranky FUDder. I just want to be safe.
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Anne what is existing can stay. they are `grandfathered`in. However for any new installations the shut off valves need to be outside the trailer below the belly pan. Flexible hoses are also not allowed inside the trailer. That kit at camping world is designed for hooking up an external stove or BBQ. I don`t think you can do what you want and meet code. Any appliance must have a copper supply line with a flair nut fitting and the appliance must be securely mounted to the trailer. It is your trailer but I wouldn`t do what you are trying to accomplish. Just mount a cat heater permanently and run copper line to it. Then there is no chance the heater will get knocked over or the flexible line can accidently get cut or pulled loose.
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Anne what is existing can stay. they are `grandfathered`in. However for any new installations the shut off valves need to be outside the trailer below the belly pan. Flexible hoses are also not allowed inside the trailer. That kit at camping world is designed for hooking up an external stove or BBQ. I don`t think you can do what you want and meet code. Any appliance must have a copper supply line with a flair nut fitting and the appliance must be securely mounted to the trailer. It is your trailer but I wouldn`t do what you are trying to accomplish. Just mount a cat heater permanently and run copper line to it. Then there is no chance the heater will get knocked over or the flexible line can accidently get cut or pulled loose.
Thanks, Chris.

I found these standards on the RVIA web site. Do you know if this page is complete?

When you get a chance, could you send me a link to the codes and regulations on RV construction, plumbing, electrical, hvac, running gear, etc.? I might as well do it all right or park it in the back yard.

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Anne here is a link to a site to purchase a copy of the code book
thehttp://openlibrary.org/books/OL13248187M/ANSI_A119.2_Nfpa_1192_Standard_on_Recreational_Veh icles
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I am among the forum's non-believers in catalytic heaters. If you don't have a furnace, get one. If your furnace runs down the battery, get more/bigger/newer batteries.
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I am among the forum's non-believers in catalytic heaters. If you don't have a furnace, get one. If your furnace runs down the battery, get more/bigger/newer batteries.
Thanks for your message, Jammer.
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I am among the forum's non-believers in catalytic heaters. If you don't have a furnace, get one. If your furnace runs down the battery, get more/bigger/newer batteries.

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Look, this keeps coming up and they're not safe. Here we are in this thread engaging in an engineering exercise involving unvented gas heaters, portable propane hoses, quick connectors, etc. I don't think it's a good idea to dispense such advice and especially not to people whose skill and background and sensitivity to safety issues we can only guess at.

And here we are splitting hairs over the code approval of the shutoff valves when the RVIA code doesn't even allow portable propane hose inside a trailer. Or unvented heaters.
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Its your opinion that they're unsafe. I think the fact that these things have been manufactured, marketed, sold, installed and used for this very purpose for decades, up to and including the present day, indicates otherwise.


I can't believe the code doesn't allow for cat heaters. Shutoffs and valves...sure.

Headline in my local paper today: "Family lucky to be alive; CO fills home, father pulls wife, son, outside".
-source of CO: gas boiler. Should we ban those, and force everyone to use electric heat?
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This thread is getting interesting. Don't go too fast it will be a few minutes before the popcorn is done.
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And here we are splitting hairs over the code approval of the shutoff valves when the RVIA code doesn't even allow portable propane hose inside a trailer. Or unvented heaters.[/QUOTE]
I think I said that in an earlier post. No shut offs inside and no portable or flexible hoses.
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Because the RVIA code doesn't allow them, there are no new RVs sold with catalytic heaters. Many shops won't install them.

They are a popular aftermarket item, to be sure, and have been so for many years.

These products are manufactured by companies that don't make anything else (except a few other accessories of high potential product liability). It is a strategy to remain judgment proof in the event of a class-action product liability lawsuit.

In any case, portable hose-connected propane appliances have no place inside an RV.

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Headline in my local paper today: "Family lucky to be alive; CO fills home, father pulls wife, son, outside".
-source of CO: gas boiler. Should we ban those, and force everyone to use electric heat?
So what's the story? 50 year old boiler? Boiler installed by clueless person who didn't connect the flue? Link?
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These products are manufactured by companies that don't make anything else (except a few other accessories of high potential product liability). It is a strategy to remain judgment proof in the event of a class-action product liability lawsuit.
how's that work, in this litigious society? It would seem to me if people were actually being harmed by these things, they'd have been sued out of existence long ago.

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So what's the story? 50 year old boiler? Boiler installed by clueless person who didn't connect the flue? Link?
not that old, really. "more than 20". probably original, house built in the '80's. all it said was "leak in the gas boiler". CO detectors saved them.
Family 'lucky to be alive' Local News NewburyportNews.com, Newburyport, MA

point is, there is a story like this every day, somewhere.
heck, every now and then, a whole house is leveled by an NG explosion.

There are risks to everything. But perceived risk and actual risk are usually quite different.
Every few months, an newb comes on here and asks about removing all gas appliances from the trailer. The very thought of gas in a trailer (or house) just freaks some people out. {shrug}
Anyway, I doubt my cat heater is ever going to get me. What scares me is driving down the road with a trailer. Or driving down the road without a trailer.
Odds are that'll get me long before a properly installed/maintained/tested/CO-alarmed heater ever will.
Today I was driving on the interstate in some light snow. roads were untreated. (first snow of the year, and they said we weren't going to get any. ha!). Guy in the lane to my left just spontaneously started spinning (we were going ~50)...to his left. I'm to the right...lucky me.
guy in the far left lane t-boned the spinner...they both veered off into the median. (they were ok; I could see in my rear view that nobody rolled...and before I could even think about pulling over (very dangerous, too), I saw a state-y coming the other way with his flashers on.)
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