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Old 12-14-2011, 02:42 PM   #15
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Hi Ken

Well yes cold is a relative thing and to be sure by Minnesota standards cold doesn't really start until you get to the temperatures where there is some question whether enough propane will vaporize to run the furnace in your stick house, usually around -35 or so.

Seriously, though, Airstreaming in sustained below-freezing temperatures is a subject in its own right. I believe there are two approaches in widespread use: 1) camp where there's shore power (or a generator running most of the time); 2) don't use the plumbing. I myself subscribe to a third approach -- I keep the trailer parked inside all winter.

Seems like the people with catalytic heaters use them in spring and fall weather where it drops down close to or a little below freezing at night and is warm in the day, where frozen pipes aren't so much a problem.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:46 PM   #16
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Maybe with trailers,but we've been below zero many times and had no problems. I do miss the CAT heater we had in our former Excella trailer, though.
I posted a chart in an older thread on this. Much depends on how full the tanks are, their size, and the wind. In general the Airstream heating system will work overall down to around -10 F or so as long as both tanks are reasonably full (1/4 or more). Below that temperature two things happen. The tanks won't vaporize, and even if they did, the furnace won't produce enough BTUs to heat the interior to 70 degrees.
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Old 12-14-2011, 03:07 PM   #17
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I posted a chart in an older thread on this. Much depends on how full the tanks are, their size, and the wind. In general the Airstream heating system will work overall down to around -10 F or so as long as both tanks are reasonably full (1/4 or more). Below that temperature two things happen. The tanks won't vaporize, and even if they did, the furnace won't produce enough BTUs to heat the interior to 70 degrees.
I've spent nights in our old Bigfoot at 10 below and somewhat colder. However it had dual pane windows and not so so many of them plus 1 1/2" Styrofoam everywhere else. Supposedly it was rated to 40 below, unfortunately I am not. I am guessing it would probably be not too bad in the Airstream because the furnace is substantial. But I'm thinking there would be frequent trips to the propane dealer. Our trailer was expensive enough as it is, but I would have sprung for a cold weather package if they offered one.

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Old 12-14-2011, 03:26 PM   #18
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Hi Hoosier Gypsy! I'm right down 41 from you....we should do tours sometime! We've used both the furnace & catalytic on our 31' Sovereign in the dead of winter. We turned off the catalytic when we went to bed, but it was pretty comfy for watching tv with it on. We ran a generator to run fans, etc. The Bambi II that I'm restoring won't have a furnace. It's so small that a catalytic heater will be plenty of heat. I'm running just a little ceramic heater in it right now while I work in it & it's plenty warm. You should always have a vent cracked if you're going to used the catalytic (as everyone else has said). They throw a lot of heat!
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I've stayed in mine at -10 strictly as a test. 1 gallon of propane every 3 hours so with the stock 40# tanks on there you can make it a little over two days at those temps.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:05 AM   #20
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Hi everyone,
not certain if my responses to each were sent? thank you all for your comments. I have all 3, catalytic, suburban and space heater. Concern was usage of propane, safety and frozen water lines.
I am going to have the furnace looked at soon. I did have it serviced within the past year.
Keeping both propane tanks (30) filled and open will be something I begin to do.
Presently full hookup. both holding tank valves are open and when really cold below 27' use only fresh water tank and wrap the water connection outside. the coldest it has been is 14' at night, no 24hr below freezing yet...at that point I will remind myself I am on wheels or winterproof the lines which I really do not want to do.....public facilities are out of my comfort zone.
thank you again all for your comments..
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:08 AM   #21
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I have the 4th alternative, the Dickinson Fireplace, that I installed in 2006. . . Use it every summer while camping for three months in the high Rockies. . . No electric hookup needed, and the propane use is very efficient. It is safe to run anytime because it uses fresh air and exhaust outside the trailer. Never use the forced air furnace because of electric demand, and the fireplace doesn't need any because it works great without the blower. Really toasty, and attractive too!
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:34 PM   #22
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dickinson fireplace

okay, they look nice and efficient. Which model did you install? not certain of your floor plan, where did you install?
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:23 AM   #23
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Hi Hoosier,
I installed the P9000 just inside the AS door, to the left. . . on the end of the kitchen cabinet, containing the cooking stove, so the gas line is already located in that area. . . a folding countertop was removed to make room. Intake/exhaust pipe goes up to the ceiling and out. . . A serious, but fun job to accomplish. All very easy to maintain on an annual basis because of its simplicity.

If you do a search for "dickinson fireplace" you will find a number of threads listed. . . Check out "A Fireplace in the Airstream", and some of my experience is related there, including a photograph of our installation location.

I purchased our Dickinson from Discount Boat Supplies. Propellers, Inflatable Boats, Pedal and Fishing Boats, Jack Plates and much more!. Dickinson also has a website that provides complete information concerning their products and installation requirements. If I could start all over again, I would have made it my very first modification in 1996 and enjoyed it all the more.

Merry Christmas!!
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Dickinson P9000 propane hookup question. Their install manual shows independent propane runs from a manifold distribution system so that one appliance doesn't starve another appliance.

Wave 6 catalytic heaters are installed in many cases by putting in a tee in the stove top propane line along with shutoff and quick disconnect. I assume there isn't a problem with the stove top on and the heater on even thought they share a common 14" low pressure line.

A Dickinson P9000 can be mounted anyplace there is wall or cabinet space. Is there a difference in hooking up to the refrigerator line or hot water heater line? Does Airstream run independent lines or is the hot water heater and refrigerator share the same line? I am looking at the 2012 FC 25A which has the refrigerator and hot water street side. A possible mount space is on the aluminum wall between the TV and window.
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Another thought. On the 2012 FC 25A the furnace is at the sink area. If the folding shelf is removed (not sure that would be allowed), then the propane line to the furnace would be easily accessed. Since the furnace is 25,000 BTU, teeing that line should be not be a problem.
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:15 PM   #26
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Hiya, I have my wave installed how you mentioned. I use the attached feet. also have a fairly long hose so can angle and move to different directions. no noticeable useage problems with the stove/ oven or the furnace.
I just figured out why my lp alarm was sounding. it was from and empty propane tank. no more problems, and staying quite toasty. using both cat and furnace..leaving bath vent open... thank you everyone for the information.
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