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03-09-2014, 10:50 AM
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Rivet Master
1998 30' Excella 1000
Livingston
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 546
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Perry, good points, that had not been previously mentioned in this discussion. I'm still wondering just how much hotter the components would get when some natural convection/outside air movement could remove it. Darn, I wish I had saved my old cracked shroud and could put this to a test!
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03-09-2014, 12:31 PM
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Rivet Master
1981 31' Excella II
New Market
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,145
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You could put a radiation barrier on the inside to reflect the heat back out but you better have a fiberglass cover instead of the ones made of polyethylene.
Perry
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03-16-2014, 09:45 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
Richland
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 26
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Well, this Airstream will be in southeastern Washington, which has 300+ days of sun each year and is hot June through September. The AC will be needed all day starting early so I'm not worried about it sitting in the sun baking before it gets used that day.
Also, wouldn't the black shroud be a known issue if there was indeed an issue? Seems they wouldn't offer the black shroud if it caused problems?
Regardless, I went with the Penguin II and plan to paint it dark gray or black.
Thanks for the tips all.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Airstream Forums mobile app
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1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
2009 GMC Sierra 2500HD
https://www.silversojourner.com/
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03-17-2014, 08:23 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
Richland
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 26
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Ok, so one more question regarding the Penguin II. I have been searching the archives for about an hour trying to find this out but can't find a clear answer. I purchased only the top unit and ADB from American RV Company - no drain/drip device of any type. Is either a drain pan or drip kit for the Penguin II 13.5K absolutely required in order to install it? If I don't have either, will the gasket that is on the underside of the top unit not seal? Sorry if this is a stupid question. If it is, I'm game for a stupid answer.
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1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
2009 GMC Sierra 2500HD
https://www.silversojourner.com/
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03-17-2014, 09:51 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 32' Excella
Currently Looking...
Canton
, Georgia
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,342
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It won't drain through the drain line( which runs between your skins and out through the belly pan) unless you use the pan or cup system. We ordered our cup system separately from out of doors mart. I recommend it! It is easy to put in when you install the AC and otherwise the condensate runs all over the to and down the sides of your trailer.
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03-18-2014, 04:30 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
Fort Bragg
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 278
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congrats on the order of the penguin II. We just replaced our Carrier that was only six years old with a new 15K HP. ODM did all the work and it looks great. We use small heaters and the propane furnace when over in the mountains, but it will be nice when the temps drop just for a system that keeps the temp where we want it.
We also upgraded with 3-fantastic vents this year. All of these items allow us to use our 3500 Kw generator if needed and allowed of course. Wouldn't want to upset any folks now would we as we relax in our 40+ old coach's, would we?
I don't think you will regret the purchase. Have fun and enjoy.
SL4BLLT
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03-25-2014, 09:45 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
Richland
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 26
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All done. I threw caution to the wind and went with black Krylon paint.
I must have been drinking heavily while working on it since I didn't think about painting the drain cups, so they stick out like a sore thumb to me. I'll get back up there and brush paint those. Had to install a drain hose in the interior as well.
A $5 can of primer and two $6 cans of black paint sure beats paying over $300 more for the black version from the factory.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
2009 GMC Sierra 2500HD
https://www.silversojourner.com/
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03-25-2014, 11:25 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton
, Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,868
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It looks nice, good choice!
Btw, that is a great looking trailer... <envy>.
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03-26-2014, 09:05 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
Richland
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 26
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Thanks! Not sure what you're envious of, yours looks great too, if not better.
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1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
2009 GMC Sierra 2500HD
https://www.silversojourner.com/
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03-26-2014, 09:37 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton
, Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,868
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Lol, your 64 is the bomb!
It is just too cool for school!
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03-27-2014, 01:30 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2007 25' Classic
San Luis Obispo
, California
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 201
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SilverMiette - I have a 66 Overlander and just started the removal process of the original A/C. I was expecting a 14" opening and was surprised to see it wasn't. Was yours that way as well? Did you have to cut out a new 14" opening? How did you beef up the opening to support the new A/C. I did find one thread where the old A/C was rebuilt. That is still an option as well. Please give me your thoughts. Thank You.
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03-27-2014, 04:28 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
Richland
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 26
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Thankfully, the original AC on my 64 was already removed by a PO. I saw the patch work that was done and the outline from it (oxidized aluminum vs. protected). But I could see that there wasn't a 14" opening, more like a couple smaller openings. A different design back then I guess.
Instead of cutting an opening, I removed one of the original vents, which was a rough 14x14 opening (I had to trim it to make it 14.25" x 14.25"). That opening was in between two main support ribs which made installing additional support easier.
For the additional support I used wood 2x2's and framed it up to match the opening size (I attached photos). I've read the pros and cons to using wood and went with it since I didn't have access to rib material. I attached that wood frame to the ribs on either side of the opening. It's pretty beefed up and strong. I'm hoping the vibration will be minimal since I just installed new axles and the AC being new will have minimal vibration as well. I would think vibration could cause problems with the wood frame. Hoping it doesn't.
Hope that helps.
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1972 31' Sovereign
1964 30' Sovereign
2009 GMC Sierra 2500HD
https://www.silversojourner.com/
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03-28-2014, 10:19 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2007 25' Classic
San Luis Obispo
, California
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 201
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Thank you very much. That is helpful, especially with the photos.
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04-10-2014, 09:43 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1969 25' Tradewind
Ely
, Minnesota
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverMiette
Thankfully, the original AC on my 64 was already removed by a PO. I saw the patch work that was done and the outline from it (oxidized aluminum vs. protected). But I could see that there wasn't a 14" opening, more like a couple smaller openings. A different design back then I guess.
Instead of cutting an opening, I removed one of the original vents, which was a rough 14x14 opening (I had to trim it to make it 14.25" x 14.25"). That opening was in between two main support ribs which made installing additional support easier.
For the additional support I used wood 2x2's and framed it up to match the opening size (I attached photos). I've read the pros and cons to using wood and went with it since I didn't have access to rib material. I attached that wood frame to the ribs on either side of the opening. It's pretty beefed up and strong. I'm hoping the vibration will be minimal since I just installed new axles and the AC being new will have minimal vibration as well. I would think vibration could cause problems with the wood frame. Hoping it doesn't.
Hope that helps.
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The photos have been very helpful to me. I plan on installing an Atwood on my '69 and have been trying to figure out the design for the bracing. It looks like your bracing structure is perfectly flat. Does anyone have an opinion if one should cut a curve to the framing to match the curvature of the outer hull? Did you incorporate shimming to accommodate this curvature without cutting it?
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04-10-2014, 10:52 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,985
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I built a wooden frame that is curved at the front and back to the roof and ribs. The middle around the roof opening where the A/C sits is flat. It's slightly different than what Kelly built, but pretty much the same concept. You can see pictures of the frame here in post 364:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f185...-50967-26.html
Chris
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04-10-2014, 11:19 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1969 25' Tradewind
Ely
, Minnesota
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 40
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Ok. Makes sense sort of...So, when you attached the AC, you just let the outer shell buckle to become flat then?
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04-10-2014, 01:09 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,985
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seismicfish
Ok. Makes sense sort of...So, when you attached the AC, you just let the outer shell buckle to become flat then?
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Yup. I used the drip pan, and it's curved at the front and back to match the roof curve. The side supports in the wood frame I made are tight to the roof skin on either side of the opening, so the only flattening that occurs is right at the front and rear of the opening. The gaskets get compressed pretty well, and it hasn't leaked at all.
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07-07-2015, 10:39 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Siegmann
I always thought a darker shroud would make a difference, but Idroba's argument seems sound. Anyone else have an opinion or experience on this issue?
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Black a/c shrouds come on sob trailers with black graphics or window surrounds and big Class A's with black in the full body paint-
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07-07-2015, 12:00 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Icon Direct
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
Hi, buy the air conditioner of your choice and buy a life time shroud in black or white from Icon-Direct. Also, too many times, people say you should buy this type/size air conditioner because of where you live; That's fine if you only camp in your back yard. We travel and our trailer needs to work where ever we go with it.
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POI....on the Icon-Direct shrouds.
Although they fit well, they do not accept paint or decals. The UV resistant material has very poor adhesion properties, something not noted on their website when I purchased ours.
I applied replacement Airstream Logo decals that slid off in the first rainstorm.
After many emails and phone calls,(people only want white or black and why would you want to apply a decal or paint it?), they finally gave me an RA number knowing full well that it would cost me $130 UPS and almost as much USPS, to send it back to Canada.
Customer Service...not so much.
Ck the Classifieds..it's still for sale.
Bob
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