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Old 05-31-2012, 11:37 PM   #15
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I can't think of a better place to have a cabin than on the Tye river. I am reasonably familier with the area as I am a home inspector and have inspected some homes and cabins in the area.

Where is the WDCU having the rally on the OBX? We like camping at the Ocracoke National Seashore campground and in Avon at the Sands of Time CG.

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I carried my new 5k AC with me when I went to Delfest last weekend and even though it got into the high 80's in the afternoon (95 in the Airstream), it cooled down fine at night, so I was not really motivated to install the AC. I carry it in the bottom of the closet just behind the wheel well (photo 1).

Just as a side note to you boondockers, once again I went 4 days using my batteries and never had to charge them up. I started at 13.03v and after 4 days I was only down to 12.73v.

I was going to install my AC in the rear window of my TW. I rethought that location since I was concerned about impacting use of the toilet and I would need a rear support for the AC unit off the rear bumper.

I decided to install it in the side window on the street side just accross from the rear goucho. This window is smaller and I could locate the AC unit with the cg right over the window support, so I would not need an outside rear support for the AC unit. This means that about half the unit sticks into the interior but this is not a problem.

The TW window design being square cornered makes for an idea installation in the window. Also the AC has a plastic bottom, so I just cut about a 3/16" slot in the bottom of the AC. The bottom edge of the window frame fits into this slot thus locating and holding the bottom of the AC in place (photo 2). I installed a 1" aluminum metal angle on the right side of the AC unit (photo 3), then secured the other flange of the metal angle to the right side of the window frame. Please note that I had to remove the window latching hardware that was under the AC so it did not interfere with the lower window frame support fitting into the slot on the bottom of the AC. The last photo shows the AC secured firmly in place. The weight of the AC holds it securely with the window frame fitting into the slot in the bottom of the AC. The right side is secured using 1" aluminum angle with 4 screws holding the angle to the AC and 4 more screws holding the angle to the right side window frame. The installed AC can be seen in photo 4.

I started up the little Honda 1,000 watt genny and plugged the trailer power cord in and the AC started fine even on the eco mode.

Next I need to install some plexiglass and then run a test on the AC to see how well it cools the TW. I don't anticipate any problems here.

So far I am very pleased with the results of the window AC installation and concept. I can carry the 39 lb unit on the floor of a closet just to the rear of the wheels, I can install it in a side window in about 5 minutes max, it is mounted securely with minimal vibration and noise compared to my Armstrong unit and I can run it easily with my 1,000 watt Honda genny.

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Old 06-01-2012, 07:03 AM   #16
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Here's the info on the OBX Rally,

OBX 2012 Rally
Camp Hatteras Campground, Waves, NC
August 5 – August 12
Hosts: TBA



Link to the WDCU website rally page,

WDCU » 2012 Rally Schedule

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Old 07-08-2012, 10:07 PM   #17
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I started this thread back on 5/16 about installing a 5,000 btu A/C in the window of my TW and operating it while boondocking with power coming from my 1,000 watt Honda genny. I finally completed the installation today and tested the unit. The installation and the test results were a resounding success.

I will carry the unit in the bottom of a closet just behind the rear wheels and will install it in the side window of my TW. The installation procedure is as follows: open the side window, remove the screen, remove the window crank and the right window latch, install the air conditioner using 4 sheet metal screws, install the clear Duraplex window panel using 15 sheet metal screws. The advantage of installing it in the side window is that the side window is not as important as the front or rear window in terms of window use or visibility and 2/3 of the window is still available for letting light in or viewing out. Installation takes about 10 minutes. Photos of the installed unit are shown below.

The beauty of this design is the flexibility. I believe that in the normal summer camping we will only need the air conditioner 1/3 to 1/2 of the time. As long as it only gets into the 80's and drops into the 60's at night we will probably just leave the A/C in the bottom of the closet. But if we go camping in a heat wave like we have had the past two weeks here in Virginia where the high is close to 100 every day and the low is only in the mid 70's, then we will have the option of installing the A/C.

It was in the high 90's today, but I did not get the installation complete and ready for testing until the temperature had dropped to 92 degrees. My plan is to only cool the middle section of the TW during the real heat of the day. I don't care how hot it gets, this area is only about 40 sq ft and I am sure the 5000 btu/hr A/C unit will keep this area cool just fine- either for a mid afternoon nap for adults or more than likely one of our grand kids. It cooled down just fine. It went from 92 to 70 in 30 minutes. I then opened up the door to the front of the trailer which adds another 70 sq. ft. My plan is not to cool this area during the day, but probably just in the evening especially if we have others with us sleeping in the front part of the trailer. This area cooled down to 75 degrees in about an hour.

I am so satisfied with the results of the 5k window installation that I am now ready to remove my Armstrong A/C unit and replace it with a Fantastic Fan.

The advantages of this design are overwhelming. They are:

- Clean design lines with no ugly appendage on the top.
-Save weight by carrying the 40 lb unit on the floor of a closet.
-Better handling dynamics for the trailer due to the weight savings and carrying the weight low.
-Save energy by cooling with 5k unit instead of 14k unit.
-Operate with a 1k genny instead of a 3 or 4k genny.
-Unit is new, so more reliable. If it dies, replace it for less than $200.
-Much quieter than the Armstrong unit.
-No annoying vibrations like with the Armstrong unit.

The only disadvantage is the 10 minutes it takes to install it. But hey, when it is 90-95 degrees, I will gladly spend 10 minutes to get cool.

Dan
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:04 PM   #18
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TouringDan, I like your idea so much that I am copying it. I am rebuilding a 1969 Avion C-11 camper and I don't want to put a large AC on the roof. Besides, I have an older Yamaha 1000 generator that only has about 4 or 5 hours on it. It won't run a large AC. I have a sliding window on the front of my camper, and since it now sits on a trailer I will make a stainless steel shelf for it to slide into my front window. The camper is an 11' model so there is only about 80 square feet. That little AC should do just fine.


By the way, how is yours doing?


Thanks for the idea.
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:13 PM   #19
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The Avion truck campers are just to cool.

You will probably use the AC a lot more than me living in Phoenix.

I think a 5k unit will do just fine cooling your camper, and your Yamaha 1k should power it just fine.

Other than running my test to see how well my AC cools the TW, I have not been camping any since my wife is recovering from total hip replacement surgery just 2 weeks ago. However, I may go out a little later and turn on the AC to cool it down before I remove some more of the vinyl floor covering. I am planning on installing a cork floor.

Hope that your AC install goes well. Post some photos.

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TouringDan, give your wife my best and I hope she is doing well. I will post pictures of the AC once I get it installed. I already bought the AC, but I'm still in the middle of the rebuild, so it will probably be a couple of weeks before I get far enough along to build the mount.

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Old 07-15-2012, 01:55 AM   #21
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WOW......neat idea!
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Touring Dan,
Thank you for reporting on your A/C conversion! I also have a 5000btu unit using the old refrigerator opening. It slides in and out when needed. I was considering a 6500btu unit, but will wait until they are on sale at Home Depot! I don't have a generator setup, but will definitely explore this new opportunity for my hookup free camping trips!
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:20 AM   #23
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Thank you for reporting on your A/C conversion! I also have a 5000btu unit using the old refrigerator opening. It slides in and out when needed. I was considering a 6500btu unit, but will wait until they are on sale at Home Depot! I don't have a generator setup, but will definitely explore this new opportunity for my hookup free camping trips!
That is a nice setup. I like the way that TouringDan and you, used an existing opening to install your AC unit in a way that it can be easily removed without any trace of it ever being there.
I bought my Avion camper from my grandfather around 1983, as I recall. I may have only used it once, but I can't remember, its been too long ago. I do remember that my grandfather had a theory about putting an AC unit on the Avion camper. He felt that if he needed AC, he was camping in the wrong spot. He would put AC on trailers that he had because they were meant for longer trips where hookups were sometimes available. I agree that putting an AC on a classic Airstream just doesn't look good. Sometimes you have to do it if you don't have an alternative, but this is a great alternative.
What I really like about this AC unit is using a 1K generator instead of having to buy, and carry, two 2K generators. Especially when the camper will be used mainly for Boondocking. I am installing a 15 gallon automotive gas tank, with pump, under my trailer so that I can refill quads or my 1K generator. If my figures are correct, the 1K generator should run this AC unit and my little 12V charger. I can't wait to try it out.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:48 AM   #24
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Amazing that you have had your grandfathers camper for 20 years and have not used it. But now the time is right. I think it is great that you recognized 20 years ago that you wanted this camper, but that you weren't ready to use it yet. Now you are. Bravo.

I think that if your grandfather had available to him, what we have, he would have installed the 5k AC and powered it with a 1k genie.

When we were without power the 1k genie powered the AC, tv, lights, computer and also charged a 12v battery.

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Amazing that you have had your grandfathers camper for 20 years and have not used it. But now the time is right. I think it is great that you recognized 20 years ago that you wanted this camper, but that you weren't ready to use it yet. Now you are. Bravo.

I think that if your grandfather had available to him, what we have, he would have installed the 5k AC and powered it with a 1k genie.

When we were without power the 1k genie powered the AC, tv, lights, computer and also charged a 12v battery.

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The last time I used the camper was on a deer hunting trip and one of the copper water lines rubbed through in an area that was hard to get to. I never used it since. In the process of restoring it I noticed that the water line rubbed through, by rubbing against a copper LP line. The LP line was almost wore through. I'm glad the water line broke before the LP line. I don't remember if I borrowed the camper unit from my grandfather for that trip, or if it was the only trip I took it on right after I bought it. I bought the entire truck and camper unit. It was the truck that I really wanted at the time. It was a 1977 Chevy K-30 dually. The first year that they made it in 4WD as I recall. The camper has been sitting in my back yard ever since. That truck is long gone, but the camper is still here. It really needed a major interior restoration. The funny part is that structurally, it is probably one of the best Avion C-11 campers out there, but the interior looked so bad that nobody wanted it. I haven't found one bad piece of structural wood, but several pieces of cabinetry were ruined when the rear vent disitengrated from the sun, and I never checked it for about 15 or 20 years.
I have a nice 1988 Avion 34' triple axle trailer so there was no need to fix the camper. Now I want to go off road and camp. The Avion C-11 would be perfect for that. My Avion trailer wouldn't make it very far off road without getting stuck or ruined.

I can't wait to try the AC setup with my generator. I need to have the carb overhauled because the generator has been sitting for years. This was the only part of the build that my wife and I hadn't figured out. She wanted AC for the few times that we may need it and I didn't want an AC on the roof.
She was also the one that gave me a choice, buy a slightly used Airstream Bambi, or rebuild the Avion camper. I chose the camper because this one will go off road and I can carry about 2000# above the wet weight of the camper.
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Interesting, but pricey, fuel tank for generators, etc.:

Generator tank

Does anyone have one of these?
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Interesting, but pricey, fuel tank for generators, etc.:

Generator tank

Does anyone have one of these?
It looks like all they did was convert a new LP tank. It is a neat idea, but I want to keep all my LP supply that I have.
I think that you are correct, they are a little pricey.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:39 PM   #28
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I wanted to report on the performance of the 5k AC today since it was a reasonably warm day with considerable sun on the Airstream. I went out to work on the Airstream floor today about 2:00. It was 86 outside and 93 in the Airstream. I closed off the rear bathroom, but opened the folding door to the front area. The middle section, where the AC is located, went down to the set temperature of 70 degrees and stayed there. The temperature in the front room went down to 76 degrees. The 6 degree temperature difference between the middle area, 40 sq ft, and the front area, 80 sq ft, stayed constant until the sun went down, when the front area cooled to 73 degrees.

I was quite happy with the performance of the 5k AC unit. I believe there are several reasons for this. One reason that it performs well is that the windows are fully tinted. Another is that all the curtains were closed. This makes for a real dark trailer. I used the LED lights so I could see to work on the floor. Another is that trailer is facing east, so that the AC unit is on the north side and therefore shaded from the sun. The AC unit was always running on low cool, to keep the noise to a minimum and it seemed to cool adequately.

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