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Old 01-16-2015, 12:55 PM   #15
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Recently bought a 2014 fc 25 w/o ducting. Is the benefit of ducting worth enough to trade for a 2015 model.
If you lived and camped in the Southeast U.S. or desert Southwest in summer perhaps, but I would find better ways to spend money.

In Minnesota, no only no but heck no.

And the bugs may not be completely worked out of this system yet.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:44 PM   #16
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In the summer we go north or stay at high altitude most of the time, so 100˚ temps are not too common. Our A/C cools in those temps, but not as well as at lower ones. If you turn on the A/C and set the temp at 60˚ it seems to cool faster. Also try to find shade and put out the awning(s) as soon as possible. It is adequate. Best to travel in the spring or fall in the southwest if you are at the lower altitudes.

I assume they are still using fiberglass, so a maximum of 2" has an R value around 6 if installed properly. Fiberglass is rarely installed properly even by insulation contractors. Any void that isn't sealed completely will negate much of the R value. Fine Homebuilding checked this out and the R values were poor in most installations. If they sprayed polyurethane in there, the R value would be much, much more and air infiltration would be much lower. I am guessing the R value is 2 or 3 at best for fiberglass. There are steel ribs that transmit heat or cold and further negate R value—you can buy insulators and install them between the skin on both sides and the ribs, but I doubt Airstream would invest in that either.

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Old 01-17-2015, 03:34 PM   #17
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Here's the thing about trading up for the latest innovation. There's no end in sight and they know it, so the temptation is always there.

The new Airstream Classic for example has a long waiting list for a travel trailer that starts over $125,000. Because it is loaded with "firsts" from Airstream. This is a formula that works for sales, you can expect a lot more of it.

Three recent sales winners are rear hatches, ducted air, and the new Classic. Look for these spread across more sizes and models. The Classic is due for a on-board generator, the Sport a pop-top penthouse sleeper. The Flying Cloud a name-change.

The longer you keep and take good care of your Airstream the happier you are with it.
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Old 01-17-2015, 04:00 PM   #18
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Here's the thing about trading up for the latest innovation. .
Funny but it is not the latest innovation. Hardly, prior to my 2012 25' FB Airstream I owned a 2006 R Vision made Trail Bay 32' with a 16' center slide out. It had one ducted 1500 AC unit that was very quiet and kept the entire trailer cool everywhere we went. I sell it and buy a 2012 25' FB Airstream that is more than double the price, at probably half the interior volume, and to my utter amazement I now own a trailer that has a very loud AC unit that does not cool the trailer. This is a very direct comparison as both trailers were/are used the same in the same locations. So I basically doubled down with the 2015 30' Airstream that is nearly 4 times what I paid for the 2006 Trail Bay to get what I enjoyed previously, that is a quiet effective cooling system. Perhaps you can see why some of us feel the way we do.
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The insulation is a wood based product, I think from recycled wood products. Uncompacted if I remember correctly from the tour last year it was 4 inches or so thick. Brown in color and definitely not fiberglass.
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The insulation is a wood based product, I think from recycled wood products. Uncompacted if I remember correctly from the tour last year it was 4 inches or so thick. Brown in color and definitely not fiberglass.
On my 2015 bunk when I removed the factory water heater to replace it with the RV550 the insulation in the wall around it was loosely placed pink fiberglass. I have noticed other areas of the trailer where pink fiberglass is sticking out from between the interior aluminum panels. Did they change back?
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Maybe fiberglass around the water bits? Can't say I saw any pink fiberglass at all on the tour. Stacks and stacks of the brown stuff.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:14 AM   #22
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Roof insulation.... At least what I have seen when changing speakers, light pucks, and adding a light in the bathroom..... Some gray-brownish stuff, certainly not pink.

My 2015 was made during May 2015 as one of the first after the change from 2014 to 2015.


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My 2012 airstream had pink Fiberglass insulation and my early production June 2015 airstream has the brown insulation , I was at the factory in late March and they were installing the new brown insulation in the airstreams.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:11 PM   #24
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Absolutely!

We've done a lot of upgrades and if we bought a new one, we'd have to do most of it again.

Insulation—sounds like cellulose. It comes in something like pellets and I thought it was usually white, not brown. They also make fiberglass pellets that look about the same. Works fine in a house (though polyurethane spray would be far better), but in a moving, shaking object, will it settle at the bottom of the walls? OK for a roof if prevented from sliding down the walls. I doubt the walls are 4"—that would reduce inside space by 4" and require rethinking the interiors.

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Insulation answered elsewhere is Eco-Batt. EcoBatt - Insulation bonded with nature.
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So they are batts like fiberglass, but made of sand primarily, not wood. Isn't fiberglass also made of sand?—glass is made from sand, isn't it. They do appear to be a lot better environmentally.

The problem with batts is sealing them at all the edges and not over compacting them around pipes, wires and other stuff in the walls. Any air that gets around the edges or where there are holes for wires, etc., significantly reduces the R value. In the past, Airstream started new hires with insulating—thus the least experienced workers with probably no experience with insulating did the job and it is likely they did not do it well. When they had inhaled enough fiberglass to cause lung problems, then they were promoted. Whether they still give the least experienced guys this job, I don't know.

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Trying to figure out if the ducted air is a deal maker/breaker for me. I have found a barely used 2014 model that I can get from a private party for a really great price, in contrast I have been haggling with several dealers for the best rate I can on a 2015. The best deal on that is about 10K more the the barely used model. I don't like being hot in summer but have always just dealt with the noise as a given with my rooftop unit. Is the ducted air 10,000 dollars better?

The 2014 is such a good price I could possibly use it for a season and sell it and still break even.
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The 2014 is such a good price I could possibly use it for a season and sell it and still break even.
Buy the 2014 and go to the mountains of Colorado where it will be cool.

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