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Old 06-03-2016, 09:18 AM   #15
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Good San Diego North County memories here also . . .

Don't forget Bob that Orca Island is north of Eugene . . .




Thanks both of you and others for the idea to keep the upper exterior fridge door open, it makes a huge difference. Too bad our FC20 main door overlaps this area. Still haven't swapped out the fan but that is working its way up the list.

A modified clothes hanger might also become a "hold-open" for the main door, so that the open fridge door can have more free air ventilation?

Happy Trails Bob!

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Silvergate, my apologies. Right thread, wrong credit.

To restate, I give credit to Silvergate for his suggestion in another thread (lost track) of opening the upper door. How could I forget the engineering on the opener.

Not only lost track of the thread, I've lost some memory..cept for some fading memories of Switzer Canyon, El Indio and surfing at Dog Beach, before it was so named.

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Thanks, Bob, for the credit and notes on my engineering (clothes hanger... demonstrating less is more).

I also have memories of eating burritos at El Indio and going to Black's Beach (where less is also more)!

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Old 06-03-2016, 12:35 PM   #16
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I also have memories of eating burritos at El Indio and going to Black's Beach (where less is also more)!

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Old 06-03-2016, 12:41 PM   #17
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Don't forget Bob that Orca Island is north of Eugene . . .



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Peter, it's the constant pull of the moons (and memories)

something tells me we'll be in the southern loop again. A lot of the USA to cover but I see SD in a southern return path to the west coast.

BTW the fan swap is a snap...maybe during half-time of the Warriors game tomorrow...go GS ; )

Happy Trails everyone.

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Old 06-03-2016, 12:44 PM   #18
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Can someone explain why the refrigerator in my 1990 trailer does not have a fan. Different cooling technology? And if I wanted to add one for improved cooling in hot weather how is the best way to mount it?

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Old 06-03-2016, 01:01 PM   #19
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Just bought a 16 16' Bambi and on the maiden voyage the refrigerator fan was so loud we had to turn it off. Any help on a way to silence it?
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Our 2014 25' International had the refrigerator fan that sounded as if I was grinding up rocks. Airstream Jackson Center ignored my fan complaints for an exchange of one junker for a new junker. The cost to tow to RV shop and back home and then back to RV shop and then back home when they have a part... I did it myself. Blew the slow blow fuse trying to find the correct two wires from the three on the fans... Keep a spare fuse handy.

WHY do they still use this antique method and just fix the problem? Probably push it onto Dometic and let them get stuck with the tab.

Our 2006 25' Safari... same issue.

I may have had a thread about mine and replacement part and costs. The prices vary from $10 to $90 and could be the same fans with different names. I do not have the carton for what I replaced the Airstream 'grinder', but it IS quiet. Someone on the Forum made a post that fixed my problem.

I use a 12 inch+ wooden trim scrap to hold open the upper vent open. The noise of the air moving with it open is a 50% drop in sound of the air flow through the vents.

The area above the refrigerator amplifies the sound like a speaker. Next time... forget the microwave... I want a trailer with the roof vent and live happily ever after!
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Some models come without a fan for the fridge because the cooling vents are designed differently. Our 2014 27FB International Signature seems to be one example of that.
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Old 06-03-2016, 02:51 PM   #21
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My replacement fan is so quite that the only way I can tell it is on is to go outside and look.
Side note, while in the Keys a while ago I used a couple of wooden pencils to prop my doors open. Seemed to help a bit.
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Old 06-03-2016, 03:14 PM   #22
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We use a quiet fan or prop open the hatch, no problem. They could have put a roof vent in, but then we would not have our convection/microwave that is mounted conveniently over the fridge. She likes the appliances.
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Old 06-03-2016, 06:52 PM   #23
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Can someone explain why the refrigerator in my 1990 trailer does not have a fan. Different cooling technology? And if I wanted to add one for improved cooling in hot weather how is the best way to mount it?

Thanks,
John

John the simple answer is anyway you can. These are so light not much is needed to attach. The issue is more of dampening any vibration.

Both AWCHIEF and Silvergate have posted doe good images on this thread.

In my first post I included this link. go to 711...get some simple alu channel and use the rubber screws (if you go with Silinex) that come with the fan kit.

If this is a retrofit vs a swap you need to get 12v there somehow. I would also order a thermostat from your dealer or JC or ?? and also a simple toggle switch, both of which are wired into the loop. That way you can override it of or let it be automatically.

SilverGate's #11 and AWCHIEF's #21 posts shows the switch. If my memory serves me and that has been failing me as of late it seems dkottum wired in his thermostat in the same location. Mine is screwed to the cooling fins and out 2014 came with an on/of switch in the cabin. I'm sure anywhere in the upper compartment would work.

p.s. the image is my old fan. The new one is hanging in the same bracket.

p.s.s AWCHIEF's link is a very long but great link as it shows a lot of solutions for a lot if different models

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Old 06-03-2016, 07:19 PM   #24
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Can someone explain why the refrigerator in my 1990 trailer does not have a fan. Different cooling technology? And if I wanted to add one for improved cooling in hot weather how is the best way to mount it?

Thanks,
John
Your 1990 fridge may have its own flue going up through the roof to exhaust the hot air out through a roof vent cap which is designed to perform at all times, even underway. Our 1985 25' AS had such a flue and it worked great.

If you have this kind of traditional flue, adding a fan may not be that easy or advisable IMO.

Look inside the fridge compartment from the outside. Do you see an opening in the top where a metal flue goes up, and do you have a contoured roof cap covering the flue opening up there?

I guess AS gave up on this natural convection system to gain space inside later trailers, and to save money?

Shame IMO -- it worked perfectly, silently, had no moving parts, did not require electricity or maintenance, etc. etc..

"It wasn't broken so why fix it?"







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http://airstreamsupply.com/Vents-and...product_id=532
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Thanks for the input Dan, Bob and Otra. Are you blowing the hot air out or the cool air in? I imagine out, same principle as a flue.

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Old 06-03-2016, 07:48 PM   #26
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Mainly hot air out IMO.

John, when you have a chance to check out if you have a roof vent for a flue, I would appreciate knowing.

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Peter...

Yes, I have a flue. The only time the fridge struggled a bit was in Arizona three years ago on a 90+ day with the sun shining on the street side. It was running on AC - it's only recently that I learned it's more efficient running on gas.

I've always been puzzled about the refrigerator fan noise complaints. I have a friend who just bought a new AS and that's one of his complaints. I always wondered if mine was missing one that should have been there.

Informative discussion, thanks everyone. A fan in the refrigerator department is now on my todo list. I imagine any inexpensive computer fan will do?

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Old 06-04-2016, 12:07 AM   #28
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Thanks on the flue ID.

I would be careful adding a fan to a compartment which was designed not to have one. In particular you don't want to change/compromise the combustion of the propane at the bottom of the ammonia evaporation system.

On a day as hot as 90, with the sun hitting the fridge side of the trailer, it may just be that our mobile refrigerators are going to have to struggle, by design if you will, at least by the limits of our designs. Especially using the 120 AC line voltage instead of propane.

I am also guessing that the insulation technology back in 1990 might have been more rudimentary, in terms of keeping the cold inside the fridge separated from the heat in the mechanical space, and perhaps in the trailer as well? What was the air temp. inside the trailer on the days in question, or was the A/C able to keep the interior temp down?

In terms of the old adage, your fridge may not even be "broke" IMO, and thus not in need of a "fix."

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