Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-12-2014, 10:31 AM   #15
Rivet Master
 
Al and Missy's Avatar

 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Melbourne Beach , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,328
Grape Solar 100W Panels

The Grape Solar panels mentioned by idroba are also at Home Depot web site for $149.99 with free shipping if you don't have a Costco nearby.

Al
__________________

__________________

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they have not been reasoned into"

Al, K5TAN and Missy, N4RGO
2002 Classic 30 Slideout
S/OS #004
2013 Dodge 2500 Laramie 4x4 Megacab Cummins
2001 Safari 25 RB Twin (Gone, but not forgotten)
WBCCI 1322, TAC FL-39, AIR 82265

Al and Missy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2014, 11:03 AM   #16
Rivet Master
 
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia , Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,591
How prices have fallen. I was cleaning the basement yesterday and found a receipt for the first panels I used in my original home solar system back in 1991. They were 60 watt panels and cost $398 each. In todays money that is close to $700.

Now computer stuff has fallen even more, but solar panels are a real bargain these days compared to 23 years ago.
__________________

__________________
idroba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2014, 11:10 AM   #17
Rivet Master
 
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia , Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,591
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al and Missy View Post
The Grape Solar panels mentioned by idroba are also at Home Depot web site for $149.99 with free shipping if you don't have a Costco nearby.

Al
The Costco price I mentioned is for Costco.com and includes free shipping too. As far as I know they are not available at the warehouse stores themselves.

But it nice to know that there are other sources at about the same price. Costco.com does not always have them listed in their web site and that HD price is only $10 more.

Thanks for that information.
__________________
idroba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2014, 12:28 PM   #18
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
lewster's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples, FL , Hood River, OR
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,282
You won't find any of the web prices available for in-person pick up. The big box stores have contracted with Grape Solar to do their drop-shipping. They have no inventory or carrying costs....... they just take your order and forward it to Grape in Eugene, OR.


Lew Farber
RVIA/RVDA Nationally Certified Master Tech
Master Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
AM Solar Certified Installation Center
Lifeline Batteries**Magnum Inverters
541-490-6357
__________________
Lew Farber...ABYC Certified Master Marine Electrician...RVIA Certified Master Tech ...AM Solar Authorized Installation Center...AIRSTREAM Solar & Electrical Specialist...Micro Air 'Easy Start' Sales and Installations
lewster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 08:47 AM   #19
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Sioux Falls , South Dakota
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 843
From what I see here, it sounds like replacing a standard RV refrigerator with a residential one is no big deal. That's good news. I wondered if the curved sides might be a problem, but it sounds like it isn't.
__________________
David Lininger, kb0zke
TAC SD-6
AIR 54240
Heartland mpg 181 (sold)
1993 Foretravel U300 (for sale)
kb0zke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 01:29 PM   #20
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,603
Images: 1
Best 12v/120v refrigerator

Quote:
Originally Posted by kb0zke View Post
From what I see here, it sounds like replacing a standard RV refrigerator with a residential one is no big deal. That's good news. I wondered if the curved sides might be a problem, but it sounds like it isn't.

Only if you are always willing to be plugged in wherever you go. And have a dry ice setup to transport food in xtra high summer temps. Or, as in this case of this thread, have a substantial investment in a solar system. A three way fridge can work well even if not perfect and, IMO, covers what is needed far better than a 120V fridge.

Unless I have misunderstood your post I would caution against ever reducing the potential performance of a trailer. One may use it one way and then in the next week NEED and not just want what is no longer possible.

Propane is what made RVng possible. Solar has changed the equation a little but at 100X the cost. Tread carefully.

I look forward to upgrading my solar system, believe me. And I think we're lucky to have Lew and experienced owners contribute to our concerns.

from the AIRphone
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 02:42 PM   #21
TinCan
 
graysailor's Avatar

 
2016 30' Classic
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 798
Speaking of refrigerators I could not find the fan for my new 30' Flying Cloud. The dealer told me that over a certain length fans are not required for the refrigerator. I have yet to play with my new trailer so does anyone know if this is true. No fan required?
__________________
TinCan
graysailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 04:06 PM   #22
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,330
Quote:
Originally Posted by graysailor View Post
Speaking of refrigerators I could not find the fan for my new 30' Flying Cloud. The dealer told me that over a certain length fans are not required for the refrigerator. I have yet to play with my new trailer so does anyone know if this is true. No fan required?
That sounds weird. There is no direct correlation between trailer length and the ability of the refrigerator's ability to vent excess heat. If it's true I'd sure like to know WHY it's true!
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 04:37 PM   #23
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Sioux Falls , South Dakota
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 843
Slowmover, we don't do much boondocking and tend to stay put for several weeks to a couple of months at a time. We used to run the generator when traveling anyway, because we were traveling only in the summer and needed it to run the a/c. Now that we're retired we've traveled some in cooler weather, so the residential refrigerator runs on the inverter when driving. That's only a few hours at a time, so we probably could even skip that and just leave the door shut while driving.

An Airstream, though, is a bit different in that there is no generator to power the refrigerator on travel days, but I think the inverter ought to handle that bit.
__________________
David Lininger, kb0zke
TAC SD-6
AIR 54240
Heartland mpg 181 (sold)
1993 Foretravel U300 (for sale)
kb0zke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 07:01 PM   #24
Rivet Master
 
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia , Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,591
Quote:
Originally Posted by graysailor View Post
Speaking of refrigerators I could not find the fan for my new 30' Flying Cloud. The dealer told me that over a certain length fans are not required for the refrigerator. I have yet to play with my new trailer so does anyone know if this is true. No fan required?
The short trailers have no roof vent, only sidewall air inlet and outlet venting, and so have fans to assist the cooling of the refrigerator. My FC 20 has the fan system (which I dislike).

The larger trailers with larger refrigerators still have the roof vent and require no fans.

I THINK only the 16's, 19's and 20' have the side wall only venting with fans, but it may extend up into the 22' Sport and maybe even the 23' FC. Someone else may confirm where the change is.

The 30' should have a real roof vent and needs no fans.
__________________
idroba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 07:12 PM   #25
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,330
Quote:
Originally Posted by idroba View Post
The short trailers have no roof vent, only sidewall air inlet and outlet venting, and so have fans to assist the cooling of the refrigerator. My FC 20 has the fan system (which I dislike).

The larger trailers with larger refrigerators still have the roof vent and require no fans.

I THINK only the 16's, 19's and 20' have the side wall only venting with fans, but it may extend up into the 22' Sport and maybe even the 23' FC. Someone else may confirm where the change is.

The 30' should have a real roof vent and needs no fans.
That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation.
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 07:22 PM   #26
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,603
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by kb0zke View Post
Slowmover, we don't do much boondocking and tend to stay put for several weeks to a couple of months at a time. We used to run the generator when traveling anyway, because we were traveling only in the summer and needed it to run the a/c. Now that we're retired we've traveled some in cooler weather, so the residential refrigerator runs on the inverter when driving. That's only a few hours at a time, so we probably could even skip that and just leave the door shut while driving.

An Airstream, though, is a bit different in that there is no generator to power the refrigerator on travel days, but I think the inverter ought to handle that bit.

The traveling in summer we did in Texas showed me that without propane power that the reefer couldn't keep up. This was on trips of 300-400 miles. The reason for my caution. Except for cost I can see no reason to use residential. The reefers mentioned elsewhere in the thread would be a better choice in electric only.

The other downside of residential is that it reduces trailer re-sale considerably. I start deducting by more than double the cost of a top line reefer. It is like an electric only water heater. As these are cheaper than RV spec it usually means the owner was in no way interested in the other aspects of vehicle maintenance. My experience is that I will pass on the unit no matter how much I like it otherwise. I WILL find problems that are either serious or are almost there. Add in ho-made curtains and it's almost a guarantee I'll walk.

I've not ever found an older unit that needed nothing or was close. But some changes to the rig speak loudly. And in the wrong way. Reducing an RV to handicapped status is not the way to go, IMO.

It can take months to sell an RV. Expect six to be conservative, even a beauty at a reasonable price. Unless one wants to take a real beating, avoid changing vehicle spec as much as possible.

In this instance performance is not only not improved, it is not even an equivalent performance. My twenty five year old three way NORCOLD has been in constant use for two years since Monday. We changed a board and exercised all other functions after TT purchase. I defrost a couple of times yearly. And do not lack for space or cold keeping.

I'm getting far from the question the OP has about a solar powered unit. That, IMO, is the direction to take if one wants to reduce propane use exposure. With even reasonable solar it is likely these days that this will add a premium to an otherwise ordinary TT. That it will add value versus reducing it. An easier sale.

There are older threads on this subject. There are also threads on upgrading the electric feed from the TV alternator. Look at all options, and

Good luck


from the AIRphone
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 11:25 PM   #27
TinCan
 
graysailor's Avatar

 
2016 30' Classic
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 798
Thanks for the info on the reefer fans. My 25' Cloud has a fan which by the way I tossed out and installed 3 fans which are totally silent and installed an on/off switch. That is why when I bought the 30'er one of the first things I looked for were the fans and could not locate them. So then the dealer was correct. He did not give me an explanation but the roof vent makes sense.
__________________
TinCan
graysailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2015, 01:13 AM   #28
1 Rivet Member
 
2005 19' International CCD
Roswell , Georgia
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 18
another option/consideration

We have a 2005 Bambi 19'. However, researching on other forums and if I were to ever remodel/replace the built-in fridge, I think an Engel or a ARB or 2 mounted with a slide (under bench) would be a nice option and easily replaceable if anything were to go wrong.

Skipping the RV specific fridge models.

Here's some useful links
http://expeditionportal.com/overland...fridge-review/
Long Term Review: ARB 47L Fridge Freezer | Expedition Portal
http://expeditionportal.com/engel-fridge-installation/
Engel vs ARB fridge pros and cons - Expedition Portal
__________________

__________________
joelbert is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
12v


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
12v Television runtime VS 120v TropicGuy Audio, Video & TV 23 09-28-2010 10:33 AM
All 120V and NO 12V? photocodo Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 7 12-09-2009 03:59 PM
120V AC/12V DC Norcold Mike S Refrigerators 12 08-22-2008 11:39 AM
Is DSI 12v or 120v? dickwhite1 Water Heaters, Filters & Pumps 2 06-25-2006 06:21 PM
Changover Trouble(120v-12v) 73ANDY Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 5 04-22-2003 10:04 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.