Airstream Chat Room Airstream Links Campground & Product Reviews Airstream Classifieds Airstream Articles Blogs Photo Gallery Forum Listings Portal - Home Page

Go Back   Airstream Forums > Airstream Knowledgebase > Airstream Trailer Forums > Safari > 1974 - 1979 Safari



Check out our new sister site AirstreamCentral.com. To contribute an article click here.


Quick Links
- Forum Listings
- Register - it's FREE!
- View Member's Map
- Airstream Articles
- "Live" Chat Room
- View Classifieds
- Post a Classified
- Airstream @ eBay
- Upcoming Rallies
   - Add A Rally
- Rally Discussions
- Repair Discussions
- Search Forums
- Member List
- AIR # Directory
- Member Search
- Profile Photos
- Airstream Photo
- Airstream Links
- Fun & Games
- WBCCI Websites
- WBCCI Unit Forums
- Courtesy Parking
- Campgrounds
- Support & FAQs
- Community Policies
- Helpers Needed




Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-12-2007, 04:29 PM   #1
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

1977 Safari restoration

I don't know if this will become a full monte project or not--got the banana skins off and the frame looks good. I rented this space just in case I need to lift the shell off the floor. Next effort will be to drop the belly pan.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_8203 front barn-s.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	216.3 KB
ID:	49250Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_8201 side barn-s.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	209.4 KB
ID:	49251

One thing about this model really amazes me--the fresh tank drain is in the center of the belly pan behind a square 1/4" steel plate about 10" on a side. I don't have a clue if this is original, but the frame around the plate appears to be integral with the cross members of the ladder frame, so I assume it is. I can't imagine that the designer thought this was user friendly, having to crawl under the belly with a wrench to get the plate off, then open the drain (which is a cap on a "T" fitting). However, per the usual Airstream 70s design, the drain line is on the order of 3/8", requiring hours to drain the tank.

I already know there is a 2" crack in the fresh water tank right next to the vent fitting. So I'm prepared to take down the whole support frame to get at the tank from below.

Zep
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2007, 04:53 PM   #2
azflycaster
Moderator

azflycaster's Avatar
Profile:  1975 25' Tradewind
Phoenix , Arizona
Posts: 5,866
Images: 58

Nice looking spot you have. Do you rent the whole thing or just a section?

The drain on my 75 TW is under the kitchen sink and under the floor. It is where the fill line comes in and it is a regular water valve.

I thought my tank was the only slow one to drain.
__________________
Richard

Charter Member Four Corners Unit
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2007, 04:56 PM   #3
uwe
418

uwe's Avatar
Profile:  1963 26' Overlander
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1963 19' Globetrotter
Portola Hills , California
Posts: 4,674
Images: 40

Whatever happens, please make sure that there is an uninterrupted supply of 2-buck. You will need it. Trust me, been there - 2 bucked a bunch of stuff back into shape.
__________________
Uwe
uwe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2007, 06:13 PM   #4
Aerowood
Rivet Master

Aerowood's Avatar

Profile:  1971 21' Globetrotter
Arvada , Colorado
Posts: 879

Neat space Zep, but I'm sure its closer to your place then mine. I though the 2 buck was higher now Chuck.
Aerowood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2007, 06:35 PM   #5
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

I just rented a section. Quite reasonable and the owner is very easy to deal with. It's about 20 miles east of Palmer Lake, which is a bit of a hike, but it means I have to (1) plan ahead and (2) commit a good part of the day to the task. These are good things, I'm told.

Quote:
Originally Posted by uwe
Whatever happens, please make sure that there is an uninterrupted supply of 2-buck. You will need it. Trust me, been there - 2 bucked a bunch of stuff back into shape.
I think I have 23 cases of 2Buck in the cellar. It may not be enough. My big disappointment this year has been that I've missed the Pinot Grigio. I need someone to buy 12 cases and hold it for me, whenever it shows up at the Traders. That is not to say, of course, that I would ever succumb to drinking more white than red, on average.

Twenty-three cases may sound like a lot, but that's why a person has a 3/4 ton truck--so that when he passes through California, he can get real 2Buck, not 3Buck like they sell in Nevada and New Mexico.

Zep
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2007, 09:51 PM   #6
uwe
418

uwe's Avatar
Profile:  1963 26' Overlander
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1963 19' Globetrotter
Portola Hills , California
Posts: 4,674
Images: 40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
I just rented a section. Quite reasonable and the owner is very easy to deal with. It's about 20 miles east of Palmer Lake, which is a bit of a hike, but it means I have to (1) plan ahead and (2) commit a good part of the day to the task. These are good things, I'm told.



I think I have 23 cases of 2Buck in the cellar. It may not be enough. My big disappointment this year has been that I've missed the Pinot Grigio. I need someone to buy 12 cases and hold it for me, whenever it shows up at the Traders. That is not to say, of course, that I would ever succumb to drinking more white than red, on average.

Twenty-three cases may sound like a lot, but that's why a person has a 3/4 ton truck--so that when he passes through California, he can get real 2Buck, not 3Buck like they sell in Nevada and New Mexico.

Zep
Oh Zep,
A man after my own heart - with all the priorities in perfect alignment...

If you do the research, I get the merch for you. I only have a half ton truck, but without the trailer, I can carry 12 cases easily. There's 6 SoCal traders in easy driving distance. Heaven on Earth, I say. 2-Buck's not just for breakfast any more.
__________________
Uwe
uwe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2007, 08:24 PM   #7
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

Another outstanding and educational visit with AeroWood today. I am convinced that unless I find a frame problem, I can get the floor in good shape without lifting the shell. Step (1) get the belly skin off. Step (2) take down the lower inside skins, which I'll call the inside skirt. You can see [from this photo of AeroWood's Safari] how accessible the hold-down bolts are in the C-channel if you get the inside skirt off.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_8212 c-channel and floor-s.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	122.7 KB
ID:	49457

I'm going to have to also replace a section of the rib at the junction of the stright side and rear end cap. Being able to inspect this area on AeroWood's Safari helped me make a better plan.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_8210 wheel well and ribs-s.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	177.7 KB
ID:	49458

Hopefully the belly skin and some of the inside skirt comes off Monday.

Zep
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2007, 09:02 PM   #8
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

Mystery hole

I got the forward skins off today to look at the C channel. The fiberglass insultation was in perfect condition--not discolored, no mold, not sagging, completely filled the spaces. The C channel is also in great shape around the front hemisphere. The puzzle is the rotted floor about 2' in front of the door.
There is absolutely no sign of a leak in the shell in that area. It's too far from the door, too. I would almost think a PO cut the hole for some reason, but it's clearly rotted (crumbling uneven edge, black wood fragments). I thought or sure I'd see sagging, moldy insulation at that location, but it was perfectly fine.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7423 hole in floor-s.jpg
Views:	36
Size:	119.1 KB
ID:	50058

Hmm, I just noticed the pattern to the black stain. Something was sitting there, but when I took the goucho out, the only thing there was the goucho and frame.

I thought it strange that the C channel is held down by regular bolts inserted from below, rather than elevator bolts inserted from above. (I'm thinking that they would be installed in the same direction as the ones in the middle of the floor, right?) There's no sign that the floor has ever been replaced.

Zep
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2007, 09:56 AM   #9
Aerowood
Rivet Master

Aerowood's Avatar

Profile:  1971 21' Globetrotter
Arvada , Colorado
Posts: 879

I had bolts installed from both directions also for no reason that I could figure out. I installed all new with the heads coming in from the top. I also riveted clips to the frames in order to tie the "C"channel to the frame and in someplaces to the outrigger.
Attached Images
 
Aerowood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2007, 10:13 AM   #10
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

Kip, what did you seal the plywood with?

Roger
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2007, 10:31 AM   #11
Aerowood
Rivet Master

Aerowood's Avatar

Profile:  1971 21' Globetrotter
Arvada , Colorado
Posts: 879

I mixed all the partial cans of poly together that I have left over from other projects. I,ve got exterior, interior, gloss, semi gloss, satin, tinted polys you name it (all minwax) and squeeged it on with a piece of dry wall shim cardboard. Had enough to put on 3 coats top and bottom. I'm going to put on another couple of coats on the top after the exterior is done. I,ve also got some old epoxy resin here at work that is out of date that I might slam on instead. You know what a scrounger I can be.
Aerowood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2007, 03:40 AM   #12
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

I'm not quite ready to tackle the floor, so I thought I'd see how big a problem it would be to access this dent under the aft Zip Dee arm.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7676 exterior dent-s.jpg
Views:	13
Size:	122.4 KB
ID:	51078

Unbelievably, a hidden rivet in a small section of skin aft of the window required the removal of the upper cabinet, curb side bathroom wall, bathroom door, and sliding door rail. All this in order to peel the upper skin back far enough to access the rivet. A small job turned into a major tear down, thanks to thoughtless maintenance planning on the part of you-know-who (@%*$*%&$#). The happy news is that the next section of skin aft came out pretty easy (now that the bathroom is apart)--this piece of skin only went half way to the floor from the dome. Thank goodness the dome doesn't have to come down!

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7672 hidden rivet-s.jpg
Views:	17
Size:	118.2 KB
ID:	51079Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7675 panels down-far-s.jpg
Views:	17
Size:	126.3 KB
ID:	51080

It appears to me that the skin damage can be rolled out.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7674 dent inside-s.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	90.6 KB
ID:	51081

But the rib at the junction of the side skin and aft dome will have to be repaired. I think about 2' of rib will need to be removed and replaced. Since access to the bottom of this rib is so easy, I may replace it all the way to the floor. It is curious that the horizontal stringers end before reaching the aft rib. I think if you look at Aerowood's posts you'll see quite a few places where the ribs or stringers end "prematurely" and he's made changes to his shell to "correct" this.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7673 dent close-s.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	103.6 KB
ID:	51084

Next task is to get rid of more parts! The white tambours from the upper cabinet look to be in very good shape.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_7671 trashed progress-s.jpg
Views:	17
Size:	126.4 KB
ID:	51083

Zep
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2007, 06:58 AM   #13
Aerowood
Rivet Master

Aerowood's Avatar

Profile:  1971 21' Globetrotter
Arvada , Colorado
Posts: 879

Well Zep you are progressing right along. I need to go down there. We finally finished boring holes in central Wyoming clouds Sunday, so I have some time off. Hows the week after Xmas look for you?
Aerowood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2007, 07:51 AM   #14
Zeppelinium
Rivet Master

Zeppelinium's Avatar

Profile:  1970 18' Caravel
1977 23' Safari
1975 31' Sovereign
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Posts: 1,900

I can definitely make the time, especially if you might have your roller in your back pocket!

Zep
__________________
Current 6-word memoir: Vintage Airstreams: Four are not enough.
www.mindseyephoto.com www.airstreamdoctor.com
Zeppelinium is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1977 landyacht acme 1977 Sovereign 15 01-25-2007 05:21 PM
1977 Argosy slow-canoe Classic Motorhomes 3 02-27-2005 06:32 AM
1977 23' Safari Plumbing System RamblinRose Plumbing - Systems & Fixtures 5 07-26-2004 12:32 PM