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Old 12-04-2012, 11:30 PM   #57
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Depends how you look at it. You WILL pay more for a 4wd truck, but resale is far superior. Down here in my neck of the woods, most people will agree that you cant GIVE them a 2wd truck. Ok... yes you can... to resell and buy a 4wd. Theres your "permanent penalty" for buying a 2wd

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Whatever can go wrong, will.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it(said many times...)

Get stuck once on some loose gravel and call a tow truck, theres a couple hundred bucks shot in the arsenal and a whole lot of shame from everyone laughing at you
Hi, if the two wheel drive trucks are so worthless, in your neighborhood, it would be cost efficient to pick them up and convert them into four wheel drive with used parts. And if virtually everyone has four wheel drive trucks, there should be plenty of them in the wrecking yards for parts. Shame on you for laughing at someone who got stuck instead of helping them. I guess that there has never been a time in your life that someone helped you.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:39 PM   #58
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I think it's time to turn to proven scientific facts.

Men buy 4X4.

Little girls buy 2WD.

Those facts should put this subject to rest.

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Old 12-04-2012, 11:43 PM   #59
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That about sums it up. Well put Ken.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:11 AM   #60
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i think it's time to turn to proven scientific facts.

Men own dogs.

Little girls own cats.

Those facts should put this subject to rest.

Ken
Hi,
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Wow,this maybe the most intense thread I have seen on this forum.It seems a bit biased towards the my way is right for everybody and everybody else is wrong for everybody.
The true correct answer will vary depending on use and budget.
For me,my handle should be enough for anybody to pick up on my use.I am happy to say that I have been happily pulling my(as someone stated earlier) fragile Safari to off road locations for almost 10 years now.Many places I choose to camp are only accessable to capable 4 wheel drives.I stop to give aid to lesser vehicles that have become stuck without trailers-an off roaders code.The amount of money I have invested to be able to camp where I want when I want has been my choice.It may not be for everybody.That's fine with me,this is America.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:11 AM   #62
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I think it's time to turn to proven scientific facts.

Dogs buy 4X4.

kittens buy 2WD.

Those facts should put this subject to rest.

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That's the way it should go….

Bob4x4, if you think this thread is intense, you need to look around some more, especially at the ones that have been closed to prevent all out firefights.

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Old 12-05-2012, 09:15 AM   #63
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I think it's time to turn to proven scientific facts.

Men buy 4X4.

Little girls buy 2WD.

Those facts should put this subject to rest.

Ken
Wow! Gender specific vehicles! That's clearly where I've been going wrong all these years.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:25 AM   #64
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Defining "need" is the problem with threads on this topic.
Indeed it is, Rednax. With regard to TVs in general, not just with 2/4WD issues, it seems to me, IMHO, that the marketing and sales people define the need
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That's the way it should go….

Bob4x4, if you think this thread is intense, you need to look around some more, especially at the ones that have been closed to prevent all out firefights.

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Generally speaking for this forum............
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:41 PM   #66
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Shame on you for laughing at someone who got stuck instead of helping them. I guess that there has never been a time in your life that someone helped you.
Id lend a helping hand if needed

Im just sayin, if everyone thinks "I dont need a 4wd truck" and goes to the same place your now stuck at, whatdya do?

I wouldnt have to think twice about helping a fellow camper, but Id have to get a chuckle out of the situation
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:07 PM   #67
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Several years ago, I worked the Farm Progress show, which is held in the middle of a midwest corn field. LITERALLY. Anyway, it rained....not a little, but a Woodstock kind of scene. Here are my observations with about 8" deep fine midwest topsoil mud and all four major brand of trucks present:

Saw a dually 4wd with a locker pull a semi tractor trailer out.

Generally graded best to worst:

1) 4wd with a locker
2) 2wd with a locker
3) 4wd with limited slip
4) 4wd with open diffs
5) 2wd with limited slip
6) 2wd with open diffs all had to be pulled or pushed out

So, my point is, not all 2wd's are created equally. For towing, I believe a 2wd with an Eaton LOCKER performs better than many 4wd configurations.
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Here is an interesting situation to ponder:

Backing a trailer up an incline from flat ground with a weight distribution hitch and a 2WD (rear wheel drive) TV.

The weight distribution bars are already lifting up on the rear of the TV. As the trailer axle starts up the hill, the trailer frame acts as additional leverage lifting the rear of the WD bars higher and higher as the axle proceeds up the hill. This additional upward force will transfer enough weight to the front axle of the TV to cause the rear wheels to loose traction. I know this will happen, because I have done it.

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Old 12-06-2012, 05:49 PM   #69
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you guys are too funny. The point about need is well put: the TV and trailer are a package, duh, but if you live with the TV every day, does the choice in trailer drive the choice in TV, or do you choose something you'll be okay with driving every day, and buy a slightly smaller trailer? I'd say, be more clear on what size trailer you want before buying the TV, you've got lots and lots of time. As for 4WD, our trailer is little enough that our Pilot tows it easily, and the AWD in the Pilot has been great trying to maneuver on soggy ground.
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Here is an interesting situation to ponder:

Backing a trailer up an incline from flat ground with a weight distribution hitch and a 2WD (rear wheel drive) TV.

The weight distribution bars are already lifting up on the rear of the TV. As the trailer axle starts up the hill, the trailer frame acts as additional leverage lifting the rear of the WD bars higher and higher as the axle proceeds up the hill. This additional upward force will transfer enough weight to the front axle of the TV to cause the rear wheels to loose traction. I know this will happen, because I have done it.

Ken
That's true, Ken. Equally interesting.....get into a twist ditch scenario where opposite corners of the truck are loaded and the opposing corners are "suspended". An open diff (and maybe a limited slip, depending on circumstances) 4wd is going nowhere and a 2wd with a locker (or 4wd with locker) isn't even going to know there is a traction issue.

I'm not arguing one over the other. It is not as simple a question to answer as most would make it. IMO, a 4wd has the most benefit for towing, not from a traction standpoint, but the ability to move into the low set when trying to muscle 9000#s around in a tight uphill spot. The greatly reduced strain on the engine and trans as well as the ability to better control applied torque can't be had in any STOCK 2wd.
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