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Old 11-28-2012, 05:27 PM   #29
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4x4. I bought a new Infiniti QX (2011) w/2wd. I traded it a few months ago for the same vehicle -- 2012, but with power to all 4 wheels. What I learned has already been described by other posters. There are times in campgrounds where a mild slope in gravel will make it very difficult navigation without power to all 4 wheels. And, I have about the size trailer you are looking at -- 28'. Avoid repeating the lesson I already learned. I live in NC, and even here there are times where the roads are much better traveled with traction on all 4!
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:23 PM   #30
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The simple answer to 2WD vs 4WD:

4WD is a total waste of money until you need it, then it is priceless.
Sooner or later you will wish you had it, if you don't.

I would not be without it. Both our tow vehicle and our family car are 4WD.

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:31 PM   #31
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I can't even imagine not owning a 4wd,I see an interesting side road I take it.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:56 PM   #32
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When you get that sinking feeling while you are getting stuck, or backing up a slight hill and the rig starts to go sideways, then you will break into a sweat and ask yourself, why didn't I buy a 4X4. Unless you never intend on getting off paved roads, get a 2X4, otherwise a 4X4 is worth the money.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:11 PM   #33
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The simple answer to 2WD vs 4WD:

4WD is a total waste of money until you need it, then it is priceless.
Sooner or later you will wish you had it, if you don't.

I would not be without it. Both our tow vehicle and our family car are 4WD.

Ken
Very well said - our experience as well ...
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:52 AM   #34
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Robert, you have spikes on those shoes?
My 4 cents 4wd is better.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:45 AM   #35
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Hello to forums. New guy here........"
"...Not ready to get on the road fulltime just yet. Looking some 5-7 yrs down the road for that...."

"..Now the kids are older, one started college this year (NCSU) and other in HS first year." Both kids will be "adults" in 5yrs so plan for you & wifey and/or grandkids space wise.
"...So now i am trying to get up a set up or get more info on proper TV and other stuff along those lines,, ie. WD hitches, tires and looking at 25-28 ft unit for the most part due to weight issues...." If your mind is set on a used AS and can afford it now, start window shopping 'cause the prices are all time low now. It's more or less a buyer's market now till the economy gets better and 18 months -2yrs window shopping will help you secure a good data for comparison whenever you are ready. As someone pointed out earlier, plan ahead - IMHO, if I run into a great deal and can afford it, I will buy a used AS 1-2 yrs ahead of need ( Not a new AS) and occasionally rent a van/sub/truck as TV for wkend camping. Get a learning curve, customize the AS if needed and keep dreaming about your future TV. When you are ready for your TV, some dealer will even let you tow your AS as part of the demo ride prior to purchase. Used AS floor plan or technology is static but TV's keeps changing.

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Old 11-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #36
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I think we have had at least a dozen 4WD drive vehicles. Maintenance has been a nonissue. We have spent $0 on maintenance. The only time it didn't work was on a brand new one 25 years ago and it was fixed on warranty. Decades ago 4WD didn't work that well all the time and there were hassles with locking hubs.

Sometimes gravel roads, even when dry, can be squirrelly to drive on and 4WD can help there.

Some SUV's have front wheel drive, but they aren't truck based. They are bigger station wagons and are unibody construction. Some may have AWD, but my understanding is that most of the power goes to the front wheels in those systems. 4WD sends power to all wheels equally and is what you get on truck based vehicles. They can be full time, demand, or manual. Full time is always in 4WD and will use the most gas to keep the front drive shaft, differential and the rest of the front end parts rotating. Demand only goes into 4WD when it detects a rear wheel slipping, although I believe most of them can be manually locked into 4WD. Our Tundra is manual—either in 4WD or not. Manually locking hubs are, I believe, long gone. I'm not sure about automatic hubs, but they were sometimes hard to unlock. Toyota, so far as I know, has always had permanently locked hubs because of lower maintenance. Some 4WD vehicles can be driven on dry roads in 4WD and some cannot. There are lots of types and options.

4WD has improved a lot over the years. Long ago I had a '72 Jeep CJ5—possibly the worst vehicle I have ever owned. Sometimes it took 2 people pulling on the lever to get it out of 4WD. Things have gotten a lot better.

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Old 11-30-2012, 01:13 PM   #37
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My 'burb has Autotrac. While I was skeptical of this system initially I have come to be quite impressed with it now that I better understand how it works and have driven with it in varying conditions. The transfer case uses a wet clutch pack to couple the front and rear axles. There are 5 settings in the cab - 4lo, N, 4hi, 2hi, and auto. 4lo, N, 4hi, and 2hi work the same as on a manual transfer case, although the shift between 2 and 4 is an easy one since it's a friction clutch and not just locking splines. When set on "auto" the computer adjusts the clutch application based on speed and conditions.

It's a far cry from the basic gearcases used from WWII on up to the 1990s.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:56 PM   #38
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The simple answer to 2WD vs 4WD:

4WD is a total waste of money until you need it, then it is priceless.
Sooner or later you will wish you had it, if you don't.
Hit the nail on the head!
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:38 PM   #39
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I can't even imagine not owning a 4wd,I see an interesting side road I take it.
^^ That is the method we use on most camping trips to find out where we are going. It's taken us to some really cool places too.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:06 PM   #40
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One thing missing from the discussion is limited slip/positive traction. Several years ago when I bought a Jeep Cherokee I had a salesman tell me I didn't need limited slip with 4-wheel drive. The vehicle I got had limited slip with 4 wheel drive. At this time in my life I was class racing sailboats, I can't tell you the number of times people would need to go to 4 wheel drive to pull out identical sailboats that I could pull out with mine not in 4-wheel drive. What ever you buy make sure to get limited slip rear end.
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One thing missing from the discussion is limited slip/positive traction. Several years ago when I bought a Jeep Cherokee I had a salesman tell me I didn't need limited slip with 4-wheel drive. The vehicle I got had limited slip with 4 wheel drive. At this time in my life I was class racing sailboats, I can't tell you the number of times people would need to go to 4 wheel drive to pull out identical sailboats that I could pull out with mine not in 4-wheel drive. What ever you buy make sure to get limited slip rear end.


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Old 12-03-2012, 10:28 PM   #42
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4WD just means the wrecker has farther to travel to your truck once you are well and truly stuck.

Get what you want. I don't anticipate taking an expensive TT anywhere I can't get it out. So far, so good, at forty years worth. 2WD works well for me as I don't want the maintenance headaches of something I can't otherwise justify. The lower purchase, ownership and operating costs of 2WD are impossible for any 4WD to match.

For those who trade every seven years it may not matter. Depreciation, alone, makes talk about those kind of expense differences trivial.

A pickup is hardly the best choice for TV anyway . . . what else is it supposed to do as a solo vehicle (would be the better context to ask to question within).

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