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Old 11-21-2012, 08:54 PM   #15
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Sadly you only need 4 wheel drive when you need it, the rest of the time it it goes to waste. I've needed a few times towing and few times driving. It's nice to have when you get stuck.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:34 AM   #16
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The first answer was the best one. Any tow vehicle you get now will almost certainly require replacement by the time you are ready to use it in 7 years. Wait, many things can change in that length of time. Patience, Grasshopper.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:31 AM   #17
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WOW,, didn't mean to stir up a hornet nest. Sound like the preference for 2 wheel or 4 wheel runs the gamete like the debate of gas vs diesel.

I appreciated the info and see as well thing will look different in 4 yrs or so with regard to TV's.. just look at the VW tourage diesels.. 7100 Towing cap and good MPG. man...

Not to worry i NEVER buy new figured out long ago when you drive a new vehicle off the lot you lose 10% of it value more or less and that continues for the next 2-3 yrs in some cases..

latest car purchase was nov '08. Actually thanksgiving weekend nov 30th. We bought a 2008 Chev impala LTZ (loaded with sunroof) with only 13K miles. This car MSRP $29,999 I drove it off the lot for 16K, now this was a tough time for car dealers so i scored a deal for sure. I am not afraid to walk off the lot if they are not wanting to deal..

I spent a good deal of time reading forums like this before i got my timeshare week and now 13 yrs later have bought and sold 2-3 units. Always moving up and getting better at finding them. That is my goal here as well.. to learn and explore with out making to many costly mistakes.

I am leaning more toward the 25-28 ft units and wife is more for the 30-31 ft units.. I guess the almost 1700 lb jump in weight is that that bad for the room you get.

guess i need to be looking at TV w/TC of 10K. I was looking at the dodge w/ cummins deals as well.. seem like the older ones, pre 2007, provide the best power and price of newer models.

all good stuff here.. keep it coming.

happy birdday.. aka, happy thankgiving to all...
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:39 AM   #18
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Carl, most full size half ton pickups have an available tow rating of at least 10k, so that isn't going to narrow your search much. Also, in another 5 years or so, Ford's Ecoboost will have been out in the real world long enough to know if it's going to be a good thing in the long term.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:49 AM   #19
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Hi OP,

Couple thoughts for you to add into the mix.

Airstreams last longer than the truck that tows them. Get a truck to fit your trailer.

4X4 is mandatory for us. Our camping is almost exclusively boon docking. So clearly I am 4X4 biased.

4X4 is a couple of bucks more but a lot cheaper than getting stuck and calling the tow truck.

Gas V. Diesel
(This is a hotter debate than politics)

Bring it down to money. Will you be towing enough that your fuel savings will offset the price difference?

Stay with us here on Airforums and by the time you are ready you'll know what you want. And go to Airstream Rally's and talk to the streamers. You'll learn so much about trailers and tow vehicles you'll be a pro.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:22 AM   #20
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Ill put my vote in for 4x4!

Two major reasons:
If you plan on towing at anytime other than summer or wintertime in the south, then youll need 4 wheel drive. Iv gotten stuck in the wally parking lot with less than an inch of snow on the ground. Thank goodness I had 4 wheel drive or it would have been an embarrasing moment.

Also, resale! My current tow vehicle would have probably cost $1000-1500 in 2wd form. Mine cost $3500 since it was 4wd.

If your considering diesel vs gas, then resale is also a good argument. I paid $3500 for my 460 powered truck. A diesel version of the exact same truck would have probably set me back a good $8,000 or more.

In the long run, a 4wd truck will SAVE you money. Yes, you may see 1 mpg increase in fuel economy but when you go to trade it in, youll be dismayed in the money theyll give ya cmpared to a 4wd model.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:56 PM   #21
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I am leaning more toward the 25-28 ft units and wife is more for the 30-31 ft units.. I guess the almost 1700 lb jump in weight is that that bad for the room you get.
We chose a 27 at least in part because it is the shortest AS that still has a queen sized bed that you can access from both sides.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:22 AM   #22
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I love my 4x4. Once the Airstream is placed on a campground, we explore the area in our Jeep. That regularly involves backroads, in varying conditions.
Also, while driving in rain or snow, our full-time 4x4 gives us piece of mind.

If you're not planning to go offroading or need one in the climate where you live, go with the cheaper 2x4 version of whatever you're buying.

But 4x4 is so much fun ... driving the trails around Ouray, CO or Moab, UT ... I'd feel 'stuck' on pavement in a 2x4!
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:23 PM   #23
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WNY no 4wd.....your kidding right.


If your an RV park or pad camper no...

I've used it too many to chance being without it.

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Old 11-28-2012, 12:31 PM   #24
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I have owned 4x2's and 4x4's gas and diesel. I have been stuck a few times with the 4x2, but have never been with the 4x4. The diesel was a choice I made for longevity, so far I am very happy with that decision.
I bought the truck 3 years before the Airstream, plan ahead.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:38 PM   #25
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We had a Chevy Tahoe 4x4 and put it in 4wd exactly one time in the 12 years we owned it. We now have a Ford F150 4x2, although we did get the electronic locking rear differential (locks so both rear wheels get power). For us, living in Texas, not going off-road ever, and not going places where it snows, a 4x4 didn't make sense. We always camp in RV parks or state/federal campgrounds with paved roads to get to them

All that said, if you do go off-road, go where it snows, or if you don't mind the slightly lower milage, the slightly lower towing/payload capacity on some models, and the increased maintenance cost, it is probably good insurance to have
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:03 PM   #26
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WOW,, didn't mean to stir up a hornet nest. Sound like the preference for 2 wheel or 4 wheel runs the gamete like the debate of gas vs diesel.
No, the two topics are very different.

Gas vs. diesel, in reality either will work fine but there's lots of personal preference, differences in experience, and differences in people's financial situation that make for a really confusing discussion where most people's minds are already made up.

4x4 vs. 4x2, the discussion breaks down based on a combination of geography, camping style, trailer size, whether the tow vehicle is also a daily driver, and whether the tow vehicle is a pickup or an SUV.

In Minnesota nobody goes out and buys RWD pickups unless they have something else they drive during the winter, because you can get stuck in the middle of a city street or a parking lot if the weather is bad. In contrast, in some warmer climates 4x4s are seen as expensive toys for playing in the mud.

SUVs are a little more forgiving of poor traction because most are FWD and even those that aren't put a larger share of their weight on the rear axle than an empty pickup does.

With a larger (25', 30') trailer it is not uncommon to need 4WD to get out of an unimproved or partially improved campsite even in good weather. You can spin 2 wheels just because you parked on the grass, between the morning dew and the trailer wheels sinking into the ground a little bit. That's less of a problem with smaller trailers, and if you always park on fully improved sites, you may never have a problem.

So.. in NC, if you're going to stay close to the beaches and out of the back country you probably don't need 4WD. Go back far enough into the hills and spend a few nights boondocking in the back country and you'll wish you had it, especially with a 30'.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:24 PM   #27
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My vote is the 4x4 one. There has been several times when it was needed to back the trailer up and also when on wet grass!
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I love my 4x4, we have snow here in Canada and I can't get stuck even if I try.
It's easy to get a big 4x4 hopelessly stuck in the snow. I've done it lots of times.

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However, for travelling down the Interstate 4x4 has some disadvantages.
Geater ground clearance means a higher center of gravity and poor handling, rougher ride, a higher tailgate to load in to and higher cab to climb in too.

4x4 has lots of expensive moving parts that wear out and the added weight means lost fuel mileage.
That all used to be true but is less so today. As recently as the late 1990s, Dodge was using a solid front axle in their 4x4 trucks and it did compromise the handling considerably. All major makers now have independent front suspension and the differences in handling, ride, and cab height between 4x2 and 4x4 trucks that are otherwise the same are negligible.

There have been a number of isolated problems with expensive 4WD repairs. Again during the late 1990s, Ford had a problem with their auto-locking hubs failing that resulted in frequent expensive repairs. For pickups and SUVs of any make there was a period of time where there were no used 4wd parts available because of the "cash for klunkers" program, which most large 4x4s qualified for and which prohibited any parts from being stripped before the vehicle was scrapped.

But in general these systems are reliable especially if used sparingly. After 10-15 years you may have to replace some seals or CV boots.

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Buy A 4x4 if ya want to carry around the extra weight that cost fuel mileage and in the life of the truck you may not use more than 2 or 3 times. Dont listen to those who think they absolutly have to have a 4x4. They may need em cause they are where it snows alot.
Yep, that's me, although I used the 4x4 in the Georgia mud more than 2 or 3 times when I lived there.

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If I were buying again it would be the brand of your choice, 2x4 long bed,single wheel,(rear end ratios are different from 4x4 and 2 wheelers and duallys and single wheel,unless you special order) crewcab,desiel.When properly serviced and driven correctly(they are differnent than gas) They will last the rest of your life and beyond. I didnt need a 1ton,I bought it with another purpose in mind,but now its our daily driver and TV.Ours now is 11 years old with 90k miles,the maintiance has been quite low as I do all my own work.
Speak for yourself, I'm not old enough for any truck to last the rest of my life. The "diesels live forever" story makes for a great fireside chat but today's gassers usually outlive the body and interior just as a diesel usually will.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:29 PM   #28
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