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Old 12-12-2012, 07:22 PM   #127
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Wintercamp in snow . . I'd say that meets the requirement for an A/S TV with 4WD!!
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:58 PM   #128
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Wintercamp in snow . . I'd say that meets the requirement for an A/S TV with 4WD!!

Hi, recommendation maybe; Requirement, no.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:54 AM   #129
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Hi, recommendation maybe; Requirement, no.
Wow, seems just crazy to me. I live in Fl and have been debating with my self if I even need to insulate my holding tanks! Ice hanging off my AS insane!!! Good to hear that they are insulated well enough to boondock is freezing weather.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:49 AM   #130
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Sil', someday you may want to sell your trailer and potential buyers from other states to the north and west would want insulation. Besides, what if you move to a colder place—predicting the future is very hard and you can't know what you might do 10 years from now (unless you're in the pen).

Actually the insulation isn't that great, but you can get by.

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:28 AM   #131
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Wow, seems just crazy to me. I live in Fl and have been debating with my self if I even need to insulate my holding tanks! Ice hanging off my AS insane!!! Good to hear that they are insulated well enough to boondock is freezing weather.
Hi, in this case, I wasn't boon docking. I had to run my furnace 24 hrs a day. The high was 27 degrees and the low was Zero. My batteries wouldn't last very long with the furnace running. And my propane tanks were filled just before we got there and would have only made it for about one or two more days. We filled the propane tanks in Wyoming and stayed in Custer, South Dakota for four nights and five days.
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Sil', someday you may want to sell your trailer and potential buyers from other states to the north and west would want insulation. Besides, what if you move to a colder place—predicting the future is very hard and you can't know what you might do 10 years from now (unless you're in the pen).

Actually the insulation isn't that great, but you can get by.

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Yea we have family in VA and a thanksgiving trip would require having them insulated. Before I put the belly pan back on, I'm sure ill add some, it's better to have it and not needed, than to need it, and then have frozen pipes and tanks. You never know where the road will take you!
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Hi, in this case, I wasn't boon docking. I had to run my furnace 24 hrs a day. The high was 27 degrees and the low was Zero. My batteries wouldn't last very long with the furnace running. And my propane tanks were filled just before we got there and would have only made it for about one or two more days. We filled the propane tanks in Wyoming and stayed in Custer, South Dakota for four nights and five days.
Could that cold freeze batteries solid?
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:52 PM   #134
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Could that cold freeze batteries solid?
Hi, if just sitting there, they might freeze, but while being used and recharged at the same time, probably not.

"MexRay" the battery man, might be able to better answer this question.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:36 AM   #135
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There's no real reason to buy and drive a 4x4 except if you drive in the snow frequently, head out over rutted muddy roads, live an a flood-prone area, or you just want peace of mind. If you live in the north or west having 4x4 is justified for many folks.

The big concerns for towing will be the GCWR of the tow vehicle and the tongue weight rating. GCWR = Gross Combined Weight Rating (the maximum weight your tow vehicle with people, fuel, stuff, and the trailer loaded with food, toys, water, etc.). A 4x4 weighs more than a 2wd so it will be able to tow less.

A big boost to GCWR is found in a diesel powered SUV or pickup which are typically equipped with 4x4. My 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee AWD has a 3.0 V6 diesel sourced from Mercedes-Benz. It's a brilliant engine and I can tow up to 7,200 lbs. It gets 23 mpg during regular driving up here at 4,600 - 8,900' and 14 mpg when towing. In Nevada I need 4x4 for what I do, in NC you might do very well with 2wd.

Good question - lots of opinions...
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Russ, if the 2012 25' FB is the same as our '08, the maximum GVWR for that trailer is 7,300 lbs. Your Jeep is rated for a max of 7,200 lbs. Of course, you don't have to pack the trailer to the gills, but you do have to be careful about weight.

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Could that cold freeze batteries solid?
Our local battery manufacturer has done some work on this and they have found if the batteries are fully charged they store fine outside - by the way outside temp is -42F as I write this, so no 0F is not an issue if they are charged within reason.

When it is this cold I don't drive the diesel pickup for weeks at a time, and it's batteries have never froze solid. The fuel might gell but the batteries are fine.
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Gene - You're right about missing by 100 lbs. I just figured I'd stay under the 1,700 lbs of available capacity. My greatest concern right now is the very heavy tongue weight (800+) without any load and the sewer tanks in front of the axles.
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Gene - You're right about missing by 100 lbs. I just figured I'd stay under the 1,700 lbs of available capacity. My greatest concern right now is the very heavy tongue weight (800+) without any load and the sewer tanks in front of the axles.
You can move the spare tire into the back of the tow vehicle to lessen the tongue weight a bit. I am guessing the wheel and tire are about 40#.

The tendency is for cargo weight to creep upward over time and more things seem inevitably to find their way into the trailer and tow vehicle. The closer you get to capacity, the more wear on the tow vehicle. There is also a safety factor to consider.

Conventional wisdom is to go with 80% of capacity for safety and to lessen wear. I don't have much faith in conventional wisdom and whenever I've asked on threads for proof of the 80% figure, no one comes forth with any. But I do think some margin is a good idea though I don't know whether it is 99%, 95%, 90% or whatever. Nonetheless, I push at the payload limit for our truck.

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