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Old 05-20-2014, 10:04 AM   #85
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Lots of talk about the hub studs and wheel. What about your body damage? Whees and tires are an easy fix. Body work, not so much!
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:21 AM   #86
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I did have some damage, but in the scheme of things not horrible.Click image for larger version

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Old 05-20-2014, 10:43 AM   #87
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They tend to fly off. Do a search here and you will find hundreds of times an aluminum rim has come off. It is rare with a steel rim.
This is interesting information. I've been seriously considering replacing the steel wheels on my '90 trailer with aluminum ones, mainly for cosmetic reasons. I thing I'll hang on to my steelies and paint them Airstream blue. Funky and solid.

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Old 05-20-2014, 12:04 PM   #88
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Search "16 inch wheels" on here. Someone (I don't recall who) posted pictures of some gorgeous blue wheels they had just redone. If I had steel wheels on an older trailer, that's what I'd do.
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Sorry, but that damage will be a trophy.... a reminder of your trip!
Eventually, all the little oops morph into a great campfire story!
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Old 05-20-2014, 12:09 PM   #90
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Search "16 inch wheels" on here. Someone (I don't recall who) posted pictures of some gorgeous blue wheels they had just redone. If I had steel wheels on an older trailer, that's what I'd do.
....yes, that is very cool indeed:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465...ml#post1443183
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Old 05-20-2014, 12:20 PM   #91
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Those wheels look *great*! The blue is perfect. My not-quite-vintage-yet '90 will receive a nudge into the past with these wheels.

Thanks for the link.

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Old 05-20-2014, 12:59 PM   #92
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Brad and Karen, we just now read the thread and your news! Oh my gosh, so sorry for your troubles! Katie
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:22 PM   #93
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Random thought...anyone know how a Nascar tire change is done? That process doesn't look very precise...does the wrench they use always tighten to the correct value?
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I am not a lug-nut scientist.
I have removed and tightened thousands of lug-nuts.
As a 16 year-old idiot monkey I sweat over a coats 10-10 changing tires for Sears all summer long. We slammed the wheels on and off with an impact gun. Never saw a “mag” wheel in those days. Sears had no torque wrench in the shop.


I cannot speak for NASCAR, but I crewed IMSA GT for five years. A bit more real-life type cars, it was “Endurance Racing” 24 hours at Daytona and Watkins Glen, 12 hours at Sebring, 6 hrs Portland, Laguna Seca , Road America, Mid Ohio... A 24 hr race took about thirty tires. It was my Pit-Crew position to replace both wheels and front brake caliper on the car's left side within 1minute and ten seconds because that's how long it took to gravity fuel our Stock appearing secretly modified 1LE Camaros. I slammed the steel wheels on just like I did as a kid for Sears.


I watched our cars go 175mph, saw brake rotors glow bright orange into the turns, corner on two wheels, sometimes flip side over side a few times, and the steel wheels never came off.


There were two Kelsay-Hayes wheel engineers advising our team as to the installation procedure.


The steel wheels were hub-centric. I used a very light veil of anti-seize on the lug-nut threads and the inside of the wheel's hub pilot hole. We always used new nuts and kept the taper and seats immaculately clean. I carefully centered the nut into the wheel's lug seat, and calked a evenly coved 1/8” bead of 3m weatherstripping adhesive around the seated nut and wheel. This glued the nut onto the wheel. Later, during the race, when pushed onto the hub, The elasticity of the set weatherstrip cement stretched a dozen tentacles that kept the nut perfectly centered over the stud. The CP Impact guns were run from Nitrogen bottles, regulated at normal shop pressure. Toward the end of the race a few studs might look like stalactites, but next race starts with all new studs. That's The IMSA GT way as advised by Kelsay-Hayes.


I use anti sieze on my trailer lug-nuts and tighten the steel wheels by breaker bar, three times incrementally in star pattern until they feel right. I check them at the first rest stop, put the hub-caps on and forget about it. Every Spring I'll give 'em a kick and shake to check for bearing looseness, but they never are. I in no way suggest that mere mortals attempt this procedure. No one touches my lug-nuts but me.


Other than vanity, I don't see a reason to have aluminum trailer wheels. We're not drag racing. I don't believe that un-sprung weight outweighs safety. I would concede to being a bit of a hypocrite tho, if I were offered the correct set of Centerline Auto-Drags. This is the only aluminum wheel in existence that can cause me to whore myself to fashion.



The arguments about lug-nut lubing, K factors, coatings, and torque are endless, but to the anti-anti-seize crowd, of whom many have never used anti-seize, the sky isn't falling, and Ralphie never poked his eye out.
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That's maybe the best post I've ever read on this forum.

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You must become one with the lug nut grasshopper.

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Old 05-20-2014, 02:58 PM   #97
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NASCAR guns are highly modified and likely cost thousands each. They are higher speed and have precise specific torque clutch in them.
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Old 05-20-2014, 03:39 PM   #98
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This is interesting information. I've been seriously considering replacing the steel wheels on my '90 trailer with aluminum ones, mainly for cosmetic reasons. I thing I'll hang on to my steelies and paint them Airstream blue. Funky and solid.

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Have them powder coated. About $50 each and forget about them.
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