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Old 12-01-2008, 04:59 AM   #1765
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:55 AM   #1766
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Hi All Fuelish Airstreamers...
Gas is what it is.
We were all committed when we bought our trailers and decided to travel!
We left MI on 11/12... are now in Savannah.
2007 19' Bambi Safari and 2005 Toyota 4-Runner V-8
Averaging 14.4 mph on regular.
Gas (regular) has been around $1.70 most of the trip.
Low was $1.65... high was $1.85.
I'm just thrilled that its not still $4.50 like last summer!
I never would have imagined it would be this low
for our first 6-month-long winter trip. Bonus!
I am very happy and thankful.
I did predict to a friend that I thought oil would return
to below $50 a barrel after it spiked to $1.47.
So glad that it has.... probably won't stay there for long...
We budgeted for gas at $3.30 x about 300 miles per week for the trip.
We've traveled a lot more than that thus far...
needing to be in Orlando by 12/5.
2400 miles so far.... the miles will taper off after Christmas
as we slow the pact of our travels.
If the prices stay where they are,
we'll be well under budget as the weeks go by.
Happy trails to everyone...
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:31 AM   #1767
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. And I stated that all my vehicles require Premium fuel as listed:

2000 Lincoln Navigator..............Tow Vehicle..................Premium fuel

2005 BMW X-3.........................wife's car.....................Premium fuel

2004 Aprilia Mojito Custom 150....Motor scooter...............Premuim fuel

1959 Ford Galaxie.....................hopped up 292..............Premium fuel
I bought a 2006 Nissan Maxima a couple of years ago. The salesman (who seemed more honest than most) made sure I understood that the vehicle used premium gas. He went on to say that the car would perform the best on premium but regular would work fine unless the car was pushed really hard. Ok, I thought, a car salesman at work.

A couple of days later I spoke w/ a GM tech whom I've known for years and I truly trust his ability. He said the same thing--regular (87 octane around here) is just fine for the newer computer operated "premium" vehicles. He related that some consideration must be given for towing heavy loads, racing, and other performance activities but, as a rule, 87 is fine and will not hurt the engine. The computers retard the timing slightly to adjust for the lower octane so no knocking or pinging. His opinion is "slightly less mileage but not enough to buy premium".

Your mileage may vary. Any modern day computer mechanics with an opinion?
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:00 AM   #1768
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I have never heard of a GM PCM that can determine what grade of gas you are using. If the OM recommends 87 then that is what you should use and visa versa. Using premium when regular is recommended can actually degrade performance due to the difference in burn rates.

There are aftermarket programmers that allow you to change the parameters for increased performance etc. Some settings do require using 97 octane.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:09 AM   #1769
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Over 5 yrs ago and, I reported that diesel was 1.77$ then..
Yesterday, it was sighted at 2.85$
Last I heard the price of crude oil was at the level it was 5 yrs ago~!
Something is fishy here..
Robert Cross, I agree..
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Reg today 2.39 News reports that WNY is the highest in the Country. NY att general "looking into" the problem. We are within two cents on the wholesale cost, sump'n don't add up
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Old 12-02-2008, 09:01 PM   #1770
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Over 5 yrs ago and, I reported that diesel was 1.77$ then..
Yesterday, it was sighted at 2.85$
Last I heard the price of crude oil was at the level it was 5 yrs ago~!
Something is fishy here..
Robert Cross, I agree..
That's an easy one. The demand has increased by more than the supply.

THanks, I'll be here all night.
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Old 12-03-2008, 01:18 AM   #1771
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I'm not a mechanic but I did sleep at a ........... never mind

A couple of days later I spoke w/ a GM tech whom I've known for years and I truly trust his ability. He said the same thing--regular (87 octane around here) is just fine for the newer computer operated "premium" vehicles. He related that some consideration must be given for towing heavy loads, racing, and other performance activities but, as a rule, 87 is fine and will not hurt the engine. The computers retard the timing slightly to adjust for the lower octane so no knocking or pinging. His opinion is "slightly less mileage but not enough to buy premium".

If an engine was designed to run on 92 octane then it would make since to use it. The higher the octane the harder it is to ignite, higher performance engines generally have higher compression requiring the higher octane. He is technically correct the computer will sence the knock of lower octane and retard the timing but probably not enough to eliminate it during acceleration or climbing hills. If there is pre-ignition over a prolong period it could harm the engine.
As long as were at it the same holds true for an engine that is designed to run on 89 octane, switching to a higher octane has little to no benifit except to the oil companies That's my take on it, anyone else?
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:44 AM   #1772
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Wrong grade of fuel.

Hi, [short version] Using a lower octane fuel will cause spark knock [pre-ignition] and this breaks pistons. The knock sensor will retard the timeing some, but will only get you by in a pinch. [not recommended] Using a higher octane in a modern car [versus a points/condensor/carbureted old car] does nothing for it because higher octane burns slower and with my personal experience my car lost 4 miles per gallon while burning 92 octane in a 87 octane car. When all else fails, read owner's manual.

Back on topic, no new, or lower fuel prices to report today.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:43 AM   #1773
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:22 AM   #1774
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:19 PM   #1775
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:46 PM   #1777
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Here in Scotland our diesel is the equivalent of USD 6.54 and our prices have dropped!!!
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:35 PM   #1778
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Cottonbol beat me to it, just down the street here in Cooterville, TN., USA reglur was a buck39 and falling. I'm still looking for 98 cent.
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