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Old 10-25-2008, 12:30 AM   #1499
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Yeah, California likes there taxes.... It seems to me northern Ca. should be it's own state.. It's some much different than southern Ca.... But I could be asking for a tongue lashing here... Sorry if I offended anyone.
Hi, no offense here; Southern California could be it's own state too. Actually there has been talk [only talk] that there could be three states made from California. You said "different", not better; And it is, "different".
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Yeah, California likes there taxes.... It seems to me northern Ca. should be it's own state.. It's some much different than southern Ca.... But I could be asking for a tongue lashing here... Sorry if I offended anyone.
No tongue lashing from me. It's the truth. Californians vote in tax after tax. In defense, I'm not sure they are always told the whole story. For instance, there is an issue on the ballot November 4th that is supposed to promote alternative energy. Sounds good, right? The problem is, one of the things it does is give "cash rebates" to people who buy cars powered by alternative energy. If those cars are a good deal, they will sell on their own merit, not need "rebates". In the same breath, we are told that it will not increase taxes. Is the money for those rebates going to just fall out of the sky? Where is that money going to come from? Trust me, it will come from taxes in a state which is already up-side-down. But, some, either believe, or just can't figure out the double talk.

As far as making California two states, I have a home at each end. Believe me, the only difference would be location.
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As far as making California two states, I have a home at each end. Believe me, the only difference would be location.
. . . and I guess we could always use a another Feinstein and Boxer in the U. S. Senate.
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:52 AM   #1502
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Don't forget Sam Farr in Congress...I lived in Monterey for five years.

$3.44 for Diesel yesterday.

$2.19 for Regular.

I was watching the O'Reilly Factor the other night, and he posted an interesting statistic: while the price of oil has fallen about 49% in the last year, the price of gasoline has only fallen about 25%.
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:32 AM   #1503
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What altitude was that gas at? Regular is 87 octane at sea level, but 85 here in Colorado. I think it changes at around 3,000'.

We've done this before, but 14.9¢ after WW II during gas wars in NJ. I wasn't driving.

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Great news that the fuel prices are coming down. But so is the economy, a lot of folks won't be be able to fill regardless the cost.
It's crazy here in NYS, Albany.. $2.70 to $2.85, here in WNY still $3.30.

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Old 10-25-2008, 12:20 PM   #1505
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:37 PM   #1506
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We just dropped below $65.00 a barrel and headed for $50.00 soon.

Now can anyone explain why diesel, a waste by product of gas, is still at $3.49 a gallon while gas is at $2.59 and heating oil around $2.30 a gallon. Add $.35 tax cents to heating oil and you should have diesel.

Could it be that the majority of diesel users, trucking and rail, have a fuel surcharge pass through and just do not care about the cost of fuel. During the height of the pricing I talked to one trucker who said he did not care if it went to $5.00 a gallon as long as he was making money on the surcharge.

Please don't come back with the world supply and demand argument. That did not hold water when gas was at it's high and sure won't hold water now.
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Please don't come back with the world supply and demand argument. That did not hold water when gas was at it's high and sure won't hold water now.
Why then?
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I want you all to put your thinking cap on for this one.
One of the worst jokes ever on ALL of us Americans.
Does anybody out there have any memory of the reason given for the establishiment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY formed during the Carter Administration?
Anybody?
Anything?
NO? Did not think so!
Bottom line...We have spent several hundreds of Billions dollars in support of an agency the reason which not one person can remember.
THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WAS INSTITUTED ON 8-2-1977 TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL!!!
Pretty efficient huh?
Now 31 years later the DOE has a budget of $24.2 BILLION a year,they have 16,000 employees and over100,000 contract employees!!!!
What a grate job they have done!!!
HOW ABOUT THAT FOR A SLAP IN THE TAXPAYERS FACE?THEY THINK WE ARE ALL STUPID.
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Old 10-25-2008, 02:24 PM   #1509
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$2.619 at Safeway with 10¢ discount in Pueblo West, Colo., yesterday.

Wholesale gas closed yesterday at $1.48 and sweet crude in NY closed at $64.15. Retail gas should be around $2.30. A week or two ago the national average difference was around $1.25 and it's shrinking and eventually will come back to about 80¢ nationally. "Sticky prices" is the way retailers and distributers make some more money when prices come down.

Diesel prices are higher because there's more demand in Europe for diesel than there is for gasoline. Excess refined gas is shipped to the US from Europe, but there's little or no excess diesel to send to us. In the summer more gas and less diesel is refined in the US because there's more demand for it and people who use gas outnumber those using diesel—that could be about votes. While supply and demand is not the only factor in prices, it is part of it. Certainly it is used as an excuse by speculators, hoarders and monopolists. Trying to sort out the truth is difficult because of all the secrecy in the oil and gas industry.

It is inevitable that lower gas prices will mean more people drive, thereby increasing demand and prices. When is the only question. Lower fuel prices mean less incentive to develop clean domestic alternatives for energy, something we really need. I like paying less for gas as much as anyone, but I am concerned about the effect of lower prices for our future. Alternative energy costs more now, but with economy of scale it will be cheaper in the long run. I think it's an investment absolutely necessary now. I imagine the Dept of Energy would handle it. One reason it was created was to deal with nuclear energy and waste by the way.

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The current lowering of the price of crude is in part the fact that those speculators that bought contracts 2 or 3 months ago now have to either sell them out or take delivery. Towards the end of the run up in crude oil what are known as "week hands" began to buy in. Those week hand are now in the position of either having to take delivery or sell out. Taking delivery on a tanker of crude in an apartment in New York is a bit tough. We will see oil drop a bit more before things get back to some level of normal.

Yes some countries in Europe are close to 80% diesel. But that demand came on line over years not months and just became a convenient part of the excuses we have been given for last summers spike in oil. Take a look at the current wholesale price of heating oil about $2.30. About the same product as diesel. How come we are not shipping that to Europe to support that strong demand?

For those who can remember the so called shortages of 73 at least they supported that fraud by causing lines in key places where the news media could take pictures. There is not a shortage unless someone is going without. Did any of you ever go without?

Oh yes the hurricane. If you watched the news just after the hurricane there was a Fox reporter standing just outside the Beaumont Texas refinery stating the plant was shut down and without power. The fact that every light on the refinery was lit behind him and the safety flare was burning very tall caused me to question his comments. Now there may have been disruption of capacity but I doubt it was there.
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Yes, I said CALIFORNIA........

Hey, we're headed out with our Airstream on Wednesday for a couple of weeks to re-distribute some money.
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