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Old 08-28-2016, 07:00 PM   #57
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Upgrade your interior screws that attach cabinets

aap... your 23 foot Airstream with, now, 15" wheels and D Rated tires is ready to experience highway and Forest Service roads. The lift kit does not give you any additional clearance. The axle is your maximum clearance. The lower center of gravity is better than the lift kit advantages, if any... but this is my opinion.

Tires are Number ONE and you did that right.

I owned a 2006 23 foot Safari and like yourself, discovered what I believed and what I actually purchased were not even similar. I felt betrayed by the advertising of Airstreams for going anywhere reasonable, and even on highways there is an expectation that something is going to come loose. I am now finding out... WHY, and helping others FIX these issues before damage to cabinets is beyond repair.

I could not wait any longer to Boondock Upgrade our 2014 25 foot International. If you examine the wood screws and hardware holding the interior cabinets... together, you will really be disappointed. I do not even keep them for reuse, they are that poor in my opinion.

- The shell exterior and interior are very solid. (best reason for an Airstream)
- The Dexter Axles should serve you well.
- The windows and the gaskets may be an issue in the future.
- The appliances are pretty much in every brand of trailers today.

The cabinets, drawers, doors and hardware ARE where you will discover they need to be improved and upgraded. Most of the problems are the 'kinds' of screws used to attach everything in the interior. Myself, if you saw the screws that hold the interior together... I would not buy an Airstream. You will see them on the floor on any kind of trip.

I have a Thread under the 'Cabinets, Counter Tops & Furnishings' concerning Door Hinges... etc. When in the process of going through the problem areas of the cabinet hinges, I encountered interesting problems everywhere else. If you have the ability to put something together that needs assembly... you have a head start.

The 23 foot double axle is an excellent Boondocking Airstream! You will manage to tighten up the interior, but you have to be a hands on person. At $100 to $150 an hour these dealers charge for what they should do for free on a new sale... you should be disgusted. Not ALL dealers are like yours.

Add about 50% more hardware to attach cabinets together and to the floor. Your shower door hinge at the bottom will break off 1/4" of plastic and it will hang up and has to be lifted to clear the bottom drip edge. The microwave frame will split in the lower right corner and the four wood screws have already, no doubt, backed out. Pop rivets in the interior will break on the curved areas... unless your trailer is parked all year.

I do not want you to be overwhelmed all at once, but what the dealer says is your fault... study why and add some structure to firm everything up.

Our oven door fell off in our 23 footer. The list is long, but after two years you will have a 90% perfect trailer. Getting to 100% will never happen, but do not lose hope... this Forum has people from all spectrums of Airstream use. I am just a bit Off the Grid and am upgrading our new trailer... today.

Most responding are more main stream... and normal.
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Old 08-28-2016, 08:08 PM   #58
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WoW U have a lemon. I have been an airstreamer over 25 years and on my second 34' airstream. Lets put in perspective. If U watch the video on the new 2017 airstream the president of the company tells about the quality in there trailers. Let me tell U there is no more quality in an airstream than any other trailer built.

If I were U I would go back to the dealer and let them know what happened one again. U do have a one year or better warranty on UR trailer. All that happened should not have happened. I sorry to say but reading all that happened I had to chuckle because it reminded me of the move the long long trailer with Ricky and Lucy.

If U do not get any results then I would contact a lawyer. Your trailer is only 18 months old, or try the lemon law.

I do not understand Y many new owners R so anel about tires. I have been to Alaska twice, Baja twice, Newfoundland Panama canal and all been on trailer tires. Yes I have had a problem now and then but I am also 1000 LBS over weight on my 34. Load range E tires R fine for most of UR 23-30 trailers. I still have Ds on my trailer and working my way to Es. Those small trailers that R being bought R not that heavy. Weigh them and if over weight just go to Es
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Old 08-29-2016, 05:22 AM   #59
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Just for the record, we agree on overall quality and did tons of research before selecting the Airstream.



I also pride myself on figuring out the best way to do things, and we purchased the best components to meet our anticipated needs/desires.



We went above and beyond to make sure we did all the right things before this 1st major outing.



As a new owner and beginner in this world, I read everything I could, but depended on the dealers expertise - its obvious that the hinges and latches are problematic, but I would never have thought so - why would I have to upgrade these items after spending what many might spend on a home - it just wasn't logical from my perspective.



Perhaps I was nave to believe everything that Airstream talks about regarding Brand, Quality, Service - and, if you look at their homepage, most everyone of the trailers is in some type of offish road situation, in some cases way worse than this state hwy we traveled.



I take ownership and driving this item very seriously, but there is a theme on this thread and it doesn't speak as well for Airstream as they speak of themselves - live an learn.



Funny thing is, I purchased the trailer to "disconnect" I never anticipated spending hours on a forum discussing dollar items that failed...I would have upgraded all of these things had I been told be the dealer ahead of time - does the dealer have no responsibility to their customer?



I just want our trailer back, we are ready for our next evolution

Learning curve. Leave out the "rough road" part and, yes, all trailers vibrate and shake. Getting that down to a minimum (as in above comments) will do the most. Wheel assembly/brake balance, WD hitch settings, tire pressure, etc.

Don't be thrown by this. True in 1976, not just in 2016.

Interior securement, compartment interior securement, it's all part of it.

VERY good that you took a short ride inside.

Have Airstream make things right, and see to other.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:27 AM   #60
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Somewhere in this post you ask about gas mileage towing with an F 350.

During a recent trek from Orange County in So. Cal to Yellowstone and back we traveled 2915.2 miles and consumed 224.8 gallons of Diesel fuel. This averages 13.0 mpg. My TV is a 2015 F-250 Laredo 4x4 with 6.7 Powerstroke Turbo Diesel. My AS is a 2015 27' FC. Equalizer hitch w 750 bars.

This was our first long trek also. We did encounter an "Improved" unpaved road on the trip. About 8 miles of wash board and deeply pot-holed terrain on the back side of the Grand Tetons in Teton Canyon. Wow! Watching the rear view...the truck would pitch one direction while the AS pitched the other. Incredible rough conditions. Only damage was to the Blackwater/Grey water drain pipe connector. We must have hit a rock in the pitching. Easy fix. Yes the cushions were on the floor but nothing else out of place and no interior damage done.

I will research more carefully in the future as "Off-Roading is not my intent with this rig.

Good luck in resolving your issues and have fun in your travels.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:03 AM   #61
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We have had drawers come open, but no damage.
I need to install some type of latch for the drawers.
No damage 4 years later, but I have gotten 16"wheels and tires and Centramatic balancers.
For the most part things stay put.
Now if we could just get this raggedy,sub-par 2 a/c units on one motherboard and one crappy thermostat a/c system fixed...
Trailer has been at an RV repair shop for 3 weeks!
Dometic's CCC II thermostat is the biggest POS! The 2 units controlled by one motherboard and 1 thermostat defeats the purpose of having 2 a/c units- redundancy- so if one quits you still have a/c. The way it is designed and set up, if one component fails (And it will) you got nothing when it is 91 degrees.
Who needs a fancy electronic programmable thermostat in a camper? It just needs to be able to turn on and off and select temperature and fan speed.
But, anyway, back to the thread at hand...
The drawers, doors, and microwave are still in place undamaged 4 years later, but the only time my camper goes off road is into a campsite or in the yard at the house...
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Old 08-29-2016, 09:50 AM   #62
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Recommended Preventative Maintenance

AAP,

As we all know an AS is a house on wheels and in some respects an aircraft due to the design and construction of the shell. Both are subject to considerable vibration. On an aircraft critical bolt heads have holes drill for safety wire to prevent them from backing off.

Unfortunately the AS has nothing of the sort leading to screws vibrating loose over time, depending on the frequency of the vibration. I recommend as a preventive measure the following:

- Remove all metal to metal cabinet hinge screws and treat them with red LOCTITE Threadlocker http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/10/...er-Red-271.htm This will save doors from coming off the hinges. Use the same application for metal drawer handles.

- Periodically check and tighten all exposed drain lines under sinks and lavatories for loose connections. Do the same for your water filter if one is installed under the sink.


- Use wood glue for wood screws to reinstall those that back out of cabinet fixtures.

- Once a year check the fresh water, grey and black water tank cradle retaining bolts for obvious signs of backing off and rust. Some folks have experienced tanks falling off while traveling due to rust and corrosion.

- I highly recommend the (nearly) Complete Guide to Airstream Maintenance by Rich Luhr. It will provide you with many other useful tips on keeping your rig in top shape.

http://store.airstreamlife.com/produ...am-maintenance

Rich also offers the Newbies Guide to Airstreaming

http://store.airstreamlife.com/colle...o-airstreaming

In regards to your dealer not wanting to warranty the work instead suggesting that you file an insurance claim. This is often the case where a dealer is not satisfied with the labor rate that Airstream will pay for warranty repairs vice what an insurance company will allow. Airstream dealers are not all equal in the care and treatment of their AS customers. Some dealers refuse to do warranty repairs on Airstreams that they did not sell. Other dealers will say that they are too booked up with big motor home repair work and will direct you to other authorized Airstream warranty repair facilities in the area. It should not be this way, but it is.

Finally, you can send a PM to me for information on corrosion issues.

All the best! joe
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Old 08-29-2016, 10:25 AM   #63
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What kind of gas mileage you getting in the F350? - I want to upgrade to an F250 for sure. .
Keep in mind the difference in suspension between 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks. Heavier trucks have stiffer suspension and will transmit more road shock to the trailer. There are several remedies to this: air bag rear axle suspension, Air Safe hitches, lower tow vehicle tire pressure.
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aap... your 23 foot Airstream with, now, 15" wheels and D Rated tires is ready to experience highway and Forest Service roads. The lift kit does not give you any additional clearance. The axle is your maximum clearance. The lower center of gravity is better than the lift kit advantages, if any... but this is my opinion.

Tires are Number ONE and you did that right.

I owned a 2006 23 foot Safari and like yourself, discovered what I believed and what I actually purchased were not even similar. I felt betrayed by the advertising of Airstreams for going anywhere reasonable, and even on highways there is an expectation that something is going to come loose. I am now finding out... WHY, and helping others FIX these issues before d

amage to cabinets is beyond repair.

I could not wait any longer to Boondock Upgrade our 2014 25 foot International. If you examine the wood screws and hardware holding the interior cabinets... together, you will really be disappointed. I do not even keep them for reuse, they are that poor in my opinion.

- The shell exterior and interior are very solid. (best reason for an Airstream)
- The Dexter Axles should serve you well.
- The windows and the gaskets may be an issue in the future.
- The appliances are pretty much in every brand of trailers today.

The cabinets, drawers, doors and hardware ARE where you will discover they need to be improved and upgraded. Most of the problems are the 'kinds' of screws used to attach everything in the interior. Myself, if you saw the screws that hold the interior together... I would not buy an Airstream. You will see them on the floor on any kind of trip.

I have a Thread under the 'Cabinets, Counter Tops & Furnishings' concerning Door Hinges... etc. When in the process of going through the problem areas of the cabinet hinges, I encountered interesting problems everywhere else. If you have the ability to put something together that needs assembly... you have a head start.

The 23 foot double axle is an excellent Boondocking Airstream! You will manage to tighten up the interior, but you have to be a hands on person. At $100 to $150 an hour these dealers charge for what they should do for free on a new sale... you should be disgusted. Not ALL dealers are like yours.

Add about 50% more hardware to attach cabinets together and to the floor. Your shower door hinge at the bottom will break off 1/4" of plastic and it will hang up and has to be lifted to clear the bottom drip edge. The microwave frame will split in the lower right corner and the four wood screws have already, no doubt, backed out. Pop rivets in the interior will break on the curved areas... unless your trailer is parked all year.

I do not want you to be overwhelmed all at once, but what the dealer says is your fault... study why and add some structure to firm everything up.

Our oven door fell off in our 23 footer. The list is long, but after two years you will have a 90% perfect trailer. Getting to 100% will never happen, but do not lose hope... this Forum has people from all spectrums of Airstream use. I am just a bit Off the Grid and am upgrading our new trailer... today.

Most responding are more main stream... and normal.
Thanks Ray - I appreciate the words of encouragement - I'm most likely not in the middle of the bell curve when it comes to normal
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I'll be talking to the dealer shortly - I do remember that show

Thanks for the information!
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Good information - thanks so much for taking the time to reply - much appreciated

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Thanks for taking the time to comment -much appreciated, we will definitely be making some support changes to the infrastructure. I didn't anticipate such a high learning curve - but I think, once we climb out of this one, we'll be fine...thanks again!

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Somewhere in this post you ask about gas mileage towing with an F 350.

During a recent trek from Orange County in So. Cal to Yellowstone and back we traveled 2915.2 miles and consumed 224.8 gallons of Diesel fuel. This averages 13.0 mpg. My TV is a 2015 F-250 Laredo 4x4 with 6.7 Powerstroke Turbo Diesel. My AS is a 2015 27' FC. Equalizer hitch w 750 bars.

This was our first long trek also. We did encounter an "Improved" unpaved road on the trip. About 8 miles of wash board and deeply pot-holed terrain on the back side of the Grand Tetons in Teton Canyon. Wow! Watching the rear view...the truck would pitch one direction while the AS pitched the other. Incredible rough conditions. Only damage was to the Blackwater/Grey water drain pipe connector. We must have hit a rock in the pitching. Easy fix. Yes the cushions were on the floor but nothing else out of place and no interior damage done.

I will research more carefully in the future as "Off-Roading is not my intent with this rig.

Good luck in resolving your issues and have fun in your travels.
Thanks for taking the time to reply again - I think upgrading to a 250 will serve me well...that's awesome gas mileage, I know Ford has made improvements in this area since I purchased my truck in 2010...thanks again for the additional information on your trip as well.

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We have had drawers come open, but no damage.
I need to install some type of latch for the drawers.
No damage 4 years later, but I have gotten 16"wheels and tires and Centramatic balancers.
For the most part things stay put.
Now if we could just get this raggedy,sub-par 2 a/c units on one motherboard and one crappy thermostat a/c system fixed...
Trailer has been at an RV repair shop for 3 weeks!
Dometic's CCC II thermostat is the biggest POS! The 2 units controlled by one motherboard and 1 thermostat defeats the purpose of having 2 a/c units- redundancy- so if one quits you still have a/c. The way it is designed and set up, if one component fails (And it will) you got nothing when it is 91 degrees.
Who needs a fancy electronic programmable thermostat in a camper? It just needs to be able to turn on and off and select temperature and fan speed.
But, anyway, back to the thread at hand...
The drawers, doors, and microwave are still in place undamaged 4 years later, but the only time my camper goes off road is into a campsite or in the yard at the house...
Bummer - I suspect the more moving parts the more likely for things to go wrong, especially with electronics. We have only one AC unit and it definitely does the job...I'm wondering what the lifecycle with these things are - I guess time will tell. Hope you get your trailer back soon...seems to me the more miles one puts on an Airstream, no matter what happens, the more one wants to keep putting miles on...I think this is pretty cool - and speaks to the mystic of an Airstream...

Thanks so much,
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Situation Update - Talked with Service Manager

Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to let you all know that I just talked directly with the Service Manager from Airstream Adventures NW, and he was actually extremely helpful. Bottom line is they will definitely be submitting this under warranty. He also gave me a bunch of other helpful information.

What a relief. Our purchasing experience was definitely positive, and its awesome to know that they definitely support their customers post sale!!!!

I'll respond to others who posted later today - I actually have other stuff to do as well

Thanks again everyone for all the information and support!

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