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Old 08-29-2016, 02:07 PM   #1625
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Always enjoy, Welcome to the Breakfast Show

The topic is 727's? What a pilot told me many years ago..... when the early 727, fully loaded, could not take off from Denver, Colorado at 5,000 ft, unless some weight was unloaded......I think they upgraded the engines after that.

Oh, yes, I was told as well, at maximum flying altitude, the difference between the cruising speed and stall speed was not a lot, in fact I think someone said auto pilot was necessary to keep it up.

Now, if all with real knowledge of this will speak up, I would enjoy this!
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:19 PM   #1626
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MsMoto, I am glad you enjoy the Breakfast Show.

Those 727 jocks are few and far between now (unless they flew cargo).

Did you say you are a retired psychiatrist? My pilot friend just left on another trip. This is a sad one. One of his colleagues committed suicide. He said "J" was a great guy to fly with. Always "happy." They lost touch when he went to another airline. I told my friend not to feel guilty about that.


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Life.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:25 PM   #1627
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The topic is 727's? What a pilot told me many years ago..... when the early 727, fully loaded, could not take off from Denver, Colorado at 5,000 ft, unless some weight was unloaded......I think they upgraded the engines after that.

Oh, yes, I was told as well, at maximum flying altitude, the difference between the cruising speed and stall speed was not a lot, in fact I think someone said auto pilot was necessary to keep it up.

Now, if all with real knowledge of this will speak up, I would enjoy this!
I can't speak to the takeoff performance of the 727 at high density altitudes like Denver, but you're right about the narrow airspeed range at cruising altitude.

What happens is that as the altitude increases the stall speed increases and the airspeed at which critical Mach instability occurs decreases. The point at which they come together is colorfully called the coffin corner. If the airspeed drops below the stalling speed the aircraft will stall, and if it exceeds the critical Mach number the aircraft will go into "Mach tuck". Either way it will fall out of the sky until the pilot recovers. Commercial airliners operate fairly near the coffin corner, although hopefully, not too close!

There is a descriptive Wikipedia entry,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin..._(aerodynamics)
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:33 AM   #1628
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All large airplanes, 727 included, have to reduce takeoff weight as density altitude increases, so as to meet the takeoff criteria specified in FAR 25 and the rules under which the aircraft is operated. That's why the runways at Denver are so long.

Takeoff performance requirements are in FAR 25 and FAR 121, in case someone has a really bad case of insomnia--or in case their job depends on being able to teach this stuff (mine did).
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Old 09-12-2016, 07:22 AM   #1629
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Not exactly flying...

OK, I have never actually flown an aircraft, except to play with the controls of a small one while sitting in the second seat. But, having done some motorcycle riding (two cross country solos....years ago) and towing a trailer, there are some very interesting similarities in the process to that of flying... or so I am told.

The preparation, which for me includes a four page checklist, going over many items which are simply routine, but critical e.g., tire pressures, electrical, items on board,, then the pre-departure "walk around" and finally the process of driving when towing, all require a very high level of concentration. My technique is to use the motorcycle 12, 4, 2 rule when towing, maintain double following distances if possible, and being aware of a 360 visual field, all help me to feel like I am at least trying to have a safe trip.

Towing, motorcycles, and airplanes are not especially forgiving when an error is made.
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Msmoto, I agree. You're doing it right.
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Like the concept of wanting to sky dive a second time, don't forget the parachute the first time....
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Old 09-15-2016, 07:41 PM   #1633
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Msmoto, I agree. You're doing it right.
So true.

It's frustrating when we have to wrestle with a bent water spigot or broken TV connection at an RV park because some lazy lout did not do a walk around before leaving.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:51 PM   #1634
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After a pilot buddy of mine darn near killed us once, I got real good at checklists. Especially flying with him....

Sloppy pilots are not safe to be around, IMHO.


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Old 09-25-2016, 07:49 PM   #1635
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Change of subject

If this thread is about discussing nearly anything.....how about an Elvis Presley, alive and well at the Lawrence Welk Opera House in Prairie Village, Madison, South Dakota.

Absolutely fabulous, if you can catch Joseph Hall somewhere, do so.

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MsMo, any Elvis fans will like this!

In case any E fans are planning a trip to B.C., there is a huge Elvis festival in Penticton, B.C. every year. It features many E impersonators.
www.pentictonelvisfestival.ca

I think this guy is pretty good too....

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On the Road Again.....

A cozy little roadside diner in the middle of nowhere.

But she is hungry.

And the parking lot is empty.

She orders coffee, a turkey sand (hold the mayo) on whole-wheat toast.

Then she spots this......



Will she make it out of this one alive?
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Welcome to the Breakfast Show.......

Cue the scary music!!!!

Almost as "interesting" as the night we stopped for gas at 02:00 in the morning at a little convenience store in Mississippi in a rather rough looking neighborhood.

Went in to pay in advance, and found two clerks in the store, both looking like real characters from an old time country/western movie.

I greeted them, then noticed the rather large double-barrel shotgun parked in an inconspicuous spot by the register.

So I had to ask, "get many problems around here?"

"Nope, the locals all know we're packing plenty of heat. Ain't had a problem in years."

"Man, you guys think like I do, have a good evening..."

"Thanks, we always have a quiet night...."

(Read their part in a heavy southern accent)


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