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Old 06-03-2016, 07:29 PM   #1611
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MsMoto, thank-you for sharing your writing.

Have only read part of it -
it is from the soul.

Look forward to making this my summer reading project.

Namaste.
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Old 06-25-2016, 03:09 PM   #1612
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Plane Spotting Rally?

If I can ever get caught-up on my projects, hope to hitch-up the FaN and spend the day at Flight Path Park......
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/10/v...ght-path-park/

There is more than enough parking space for Airstreams. What a great place for a day rally.

Anyone interested?

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Old 07-25-2016, 09:11 PM   #1613
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A Look at Flight Kits - Commentary

The FaN's "flight" kit. A lot of clutter. Hundreds of pages. Do I understand a lot of it? No. Am I ever tested on it? Ha! (Never). The owner's manual is badly written anyways - too vague.


My friend's flight kit for his Boeing 737-800. (Downloaded onto his laptop.) Neat. Clean. Concise. Does he understand a lot of it? Like 110%. He could recite it in his sleep. Is he tested on it? Cripes....all the time. The regulatory authorities are always after airline pilots.


If given the option of riding with the FaN or on "x" airline -
you better take the latter. It's safer. Trust me on that.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:15 PM   #1614
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Welcome to the Breakfast Show.......

As a retired Boeing employee, the old saying is, "if it isn't Boeing, I'm NOT going..."

That's known as the "Electronic Flight Bag".

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Old 07-26-2016, 09:21 PM   #1615
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As a retired Boeing employee, the old saying is, "if it isn't Boeing, I'm NOT going..."

That's known as the "Electronic Flight Bag".

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My friend feels the same. He said Airbus was designed to take the pilot out of the flight deck, but if the FBW system doesn't like something, it will dump the flying into the pilot's lap - here, you take over!

And who cold forget this?....

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Old 07-26-2016, 09:38 PM   #1616
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Welcome to the Breakfast Show.......

Yup. Computers are only as good as the folks that wrote the programs....

I'm a long-time computer guy, and the above statement gives me the chills.....especially if that software is flying the plane.

I'm very familiar with that video. Major, major Charlie Foxtrot led to that landing in the trees. There have been other examples, like the fly-by-wire fighter aircraft that crossed the equator and promptly and violently rolled inverted because of a software error.

I must admit to knowing far more about aircraft than is good for my composure. I have been aboard when the pilot deliberately did an 8 point roll in a 727. Fun stuff, no computers involved. Note that 727's fuel system does not like being inverted. Two simultaneous flameouts....and a diving restart. E-ticket ride as a young Air Explorer (Boy Scout program in the 60's)

Yeah, sometimes I wonder how I survived childhood....

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rmkrum, the genesis and development of those great airliners -
you must have had an interesting and rewarding career - inverted or right side up!
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I actually spent 20 years working on software for Boeing....but I've been into aircraft forever.

Drove a pilot friend nuts that I could fly the plane on instruments better than he could. And I'm not a licensed pilot. I just have 'total faith in the clocks'.


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Yup. Computers are only as good as the folks that wrote the programs....

I'm a long-time computer guy, and the above statement gives me the chills.....especially if that software is flying the plane.

I'm very familiar with that video. Major, major Charlie Foxtrot led to that landing in the trees. There have been other examples, like the fly-by-wire fighter aircraft that crossed the equator and promptly and violently rolled inverted because of a software error.

I must admit to knowing far more about aircraft than is good for my composure. I have been aboard when the pilot deliberately did an 8 point roll in a 727. Fun stuff, no computers involved. Note that 727's fuel system does not like being inverted. Two simultaneous flameouts....and a diving restart. E-ticket ride as a young Air Explorer (Boy Scout program in the 60's)

Yeah, sometimes I wonder how I survived childhood....

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Guess it wasn't Tex Johnston at the controls that day. (the good old days WERE more fun).
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Nope. A barrel roll would not have caused issues. But an eight point roll did. We had plenty of altitude, the pilot was no dummy. Easy restart once the pumps found fuel again.

Was talking to a Boeing engineer familiar with the 727, and he said there actually is a specification for inverted flight. Not a very long time, because the fuel pickups are fixed position, not like a combat aircraft that can and does fly inverted more often.

I've talked to other 727 pilots, and they say it's like a flying aluminum Volkswagen. Very simple, no hydraulic boost on the controls, but really easy to fly. They were sad to see them phasing out.


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I've talked to other 727 pilots, and they say it's like a flying aluminum Volkswagen. Very simple, no hydraulic boost on the controls, but really easy to fly. They were sad to see them phasing out.

But there was a definite learning curve. Unfortunately, there were some early crash landings. My friend said it had a lot to do with "sink rate" and the flap settings. I wouldn't even attempt to explain that further - I'm not a pilot.

Kudos to Seattle's Flight Museum for resurrecting the first 727 to roll off the assembly line. I hope to go down and see her sometime.
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Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but...

I taught systems ground school on the 727 for four years total, at two different airlines. It definitely did have hydraulic boost on the flight controls. There was a function called "manual reversion" available to fly it when the hydraulics failed, but it was normally flown with the boost on.

I agree it was a wonderful airplane, and I too was sorry to see them go.
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Welcome to the Breakfast Show.......

Lot of tail cone dragging on takeoff as well.

Once the pilots figured it out, they loved it.

Our 'check ride' was in one with only 6 rows of seats installed and no cargo. Climbed like a homesick angel, to put it mildly.

Full nose pull up to stall and recovery dive was also an E-ticket ride. The multipoint roll was the capper.

Would not happen nowadays, but we didn't know any better then.

Maybe 'manual reversion' was what they were talking about. I was just a'dumb kid' at the time.

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Would not happen nowadays, but we didn't know any better then.

Just before my friend left for his last trip, we were talking about air crashes.

When I said air safety today has been written in the blood of air-crash victims, he agreed 100%. Air travel today is very safe, but people had to die before holes in the system were discovered/changed.

My friend is also very honest and frank. (To the point a lot of people don't like him). When I asked him if the responsibility of "having all those lives in your hands" is ever overwhelming, he said no. "I am more concerned about getting my own azz home safely. The ones in the back just happen to follow."

He also added that dwelling on "what could happen" is not a good place to be. Because, if and when a crisis develops, that idée fixe could negatively affect the response.
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