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Old 09-03-2007, 09:48 PM   #29
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Including some people driving trucks. It is way to easy to get a CDL. Read a few pages about airbrakes, learn how to do a pre-trip inspection, take a quick lesson from a driving instructor and a medical exam and you can drive just about anything with wheels (except hazardous materials and schoolchildren).
Mr.Doane,all you have to do to get the public pass. endorcement is study the book and pass the test! To get a hazmat endorcement,you must (now-a-days) clear a back ground check,study the c.d.l. book,and pass the test! News flash: Almost all states require NOTHING special to drive a motorhome of any size ,other than a standard license! You should worry more about the guy who only drove a Ford Escort the last twenty years,but just bought a brand spanking new 42' Monaco motorhome,and is riding down the road with ZERO training of any kind,and he's beside you on the interstate! Some semi's run hard and fast because thats what (big business) dictates,if the trucks late,they can lose the whole account! Just you wait till the "south of the border" (cheaper) trucks start running the states! You ain't seen nothin yet! I have,and it's not pretty! And yes I hold a c.d.l.,was grandfathered when they first created c.d.l.'s. O.K.,off the soapbox.
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:53 PM   #30
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About the quota thing, yes I agree there is not a quota. However, if police do not write tickets- it reflects on his performance and he will not get promoted. It has the same result as a quota. A policeman is writing tickets because he has to, to get ahead. Instead working for the common good, lawmakers have turned our policemen into revenue collectors.

Of course I am jaded by living in Michigan, a state that tried to fine people $300 for no proof of insurance, even if that person could prove later that he was insured at that time. Only public uproar got rid of that law.

Now the State of Michigan is charging people $200 per point per year for every point a person has over 6 points. So not only has that person had to pay his tickets and higher insurance, the state is also on a money grab. It is the stupid type of law that is passed because lawmakers are afraid that if they don't vote for it, people will say they support bad drivers.

Laws like these, that are so clearly passed just to collect money, make people distrustful of the whole system.
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:59 PM   #31
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Opps,back to the thread topic! Many states have the "slow down,move over" law in effect. They however don't seem to use them as a excuse for a speed trap thought.
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:55 PM   #32
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Isn't this law simply trying to instill a little common courtesy? I challenge anyone to be standing beside the roadway and have a vehicle pass you going 55 or more MPH within a few feet of you and not get scared, feel uneasy, etc.
Courteous drivers have always pulled to the left when there was a vehicle [not just a police officer] on the right shoulder of the roadway.
Texas also, like many other states, has a law also that automatically double traffic fines in a construction zone if workers are present.
Haven't you ever noticed that most tractor trailer drivers move over, when feasible. It makes sense.
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:57 PM   #33
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Hmmm... where do I start? I have been Chief in two departments. I also worked for a major city in SoCal in my formative years, and a Sheriff's Office in NoCal for a number of years. In the four departments I've worked for in nearly 30 years, I can honestly tell you that there is/was no "quota". There are, of course, standards of performance... we want our cops out working, NOT sitting in the donut shops! <snicker> How best to determine what they're doing? Direct supervision is best, but nearly impossible. The next best thing is by looking at 'widget' production. What's a 'widget'? In the SoCal departmetnt, the defacto standard was that you needed one 'widget' an hour to keep your sergeant off your case. That 'widget' could be a cite, parking cite, citizen contact, crime investigation, field interview, building check or whatever; in other words something that showed you weren't parked sleeping in a garage somewhere.

Traffic laws are truly written and enforced for the safety of the public. That's the reason they should be enforced as well. If you think it's other than that in your city/county, I'd suggest you call your elected representatives and find out why! (Tell 'em Roger sent you!)

Now... for what it's worth, if I write two more tickets before the end of the week, I can redeem them at the ticket quota redemption store for a new toaster oven!!!!

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I believe that California enacted a similar law this year or it went into effect this year. As others have said the law makes sense for both the officer and the motoring public's safety.

I did want to comment on the arguement of quotas, at least in California. Roger should be able to better explain it but I seemed to remember my city police officer friends explaining that revenues from speeding tickets and other citations do not go to the agency issuing them; the majority of the fines collected go to the court and the state so a city or county does not receive monetary benefit from a quota or minimum number of tickets as a standard.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:30 AM   #34
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I did want to comment on the arguement of quotas, at least in California. Roger should be able to better explain it but I seemed to remember my city police officer friends explaining that revenues from speeding tickets and other citations do not go to the agency issuing them; the majority of the fines collected go to the court and the state so a city or county does not receive monetary benefit from a quota or minimum number of tickets as a standard.
I suppose each state or jurisdiction may do it differently. In Delaware, traffic fines generated by state agencies go into the state's general fund, and the money generated through traffic enforcement by local police goes directly back to the municipality. On many occasions this has caused problems, as some towns did indeed use traffic fines as a source of revenue. Typically, it was driven by elected officials, and not the police departments. In fact, I know of two chiefs who resigned rather than comply, and one who was fired because he refused to comply.

On the issue of quotas: I know that some agencies require their officers to have a specific number of contacts for certain time periods, whether they be tickets or warnings (written or verbal), as one measure of performance. I believe some agencies have become somewhat dependent on federal funds, which almost always have several strings attached. For example, there are several grants available for traffic enforcement from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The NHTSA provides funds for equipment (radar, intoxilyzers, vehicles, bicycles, etc.) and manpower (overtime) that smaller agencies may not be able to provide through their normal budgets, but they are very statistically driven and expect progressive results for their money. For some agencies, this may translate into quotas.

I just retired after 22 years in law enforcement, with the last 16 as chief. Fortunately, during my tenure I never found myself in a position to impose quotas of any kind, and hope that continues.
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Old 09-04-2007, 12:59 PM   #35
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We don't have quotas here. We can write as many as we want! No one is promoted on how many they do, or do not, write. Things look a little different when you're standing next to a traffic lane and vehicles are going by a few inches away at 70 MPH.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:44 PM   #36
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California did pass a "Move left" statute that took effect this year, but given the substantial number of drivers (many actually licensed and insured..) who haven't yet mastered the "Move right and slow/stop" when an emergency vehicle is approaching with red/blue/strobe lights flashing and sirens and horns blaring, it might take a while for people to get with the new concept... More and more officers are wisely parking a few lengths behind the stopped vehicle, and approaching from the passenger side...

Our "ticket revenues" follow a path towards the "owner" of the highway and policing agency... Car Pool violations ($271) on state highways or seat belt violations go to the states, which is why local sheriffs and muni police are loath to enforce.. Speeding and impaired driving fines on state highways also flow to Sacramento, which is where urban legend that local police couldn't ticket speeders on a freeway arose.. They can and will enforce laws if outrageous, but they know the revenue goes elsewhere.. Muni police get revenue for local street violations, stop sign and traffic light violations, and improper turns, etc... Trailers are not permitted in carpool lanes in CA during enforcement hours, regardless of number of occupants..
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:17 PM   #37
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We, like so many of our fellow forum members we have driven through many states (34) and thousands and thousands of miles. More the rule than not, we pull over one lane whenever we can when there is anyone or thing in the breakdown lane regardless of HP Car or not. It is the safest thing to do. How many times have you not pulled away and someone opens a drivers side door right in front of you when you are going 60+ MPH? As far as getting tickets, it isn't very hard to figure out folks: if you ain't breakin' the law, you don't get pulled over, you don't get pulled over, you don't get a ticket. Wow, what a surprise!
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"As far as getting tickets, it isn't very hard to figure out folks: if you ain't breakin' the law, you don't get pulled over, you don't get pulled over, you don't get a ticket. Wow, what a surprise!"

I'd have to agree here...who cares if local police or HP have quotas...those of us that obey the traffic laws have nothing to worry about. Let those that act like fools, put our lives in danger, or worse PAY, PAY, PAY! If there were a way to bill criminals for law enforcement, prosectution and incarseration to keep law abiding citizens from paying for it through increased taxes, I say make'em PAY!
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:36 PM   #39
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When we traveled into Indiana and Ohio in 2004, I remember seeing signs posted advising drivers to "move left" for stopped emergency vehicles once we left Texas. I have yet to see such a sign posted on Texas highways. Maybe I'm on the wrong highways - who knows.

I'm glad someone renewed this thread because I needed the reminder.

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Old 09-04-2007, 04:19 PM   #40
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Zamboni, My wife, The Lovely Mary, is a Deputy Clerk of Court. The judge she works for charges all his "clientel" $45 a day for every day served in jail. We like it! LJH PS thats over and ubove any fines or fees.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:20 PM   #41
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I spent 33 years in LE before retiring as Chief also. From my time as a Patrolman all the way to the top, a quota was never an issue. We had officers who wrote 2-3 tickets a month and those who wrote over a hundred. Most officers gave 3-5 warnings for every ticket written, so there is a lot of officer descretion. Promotions are not decided by the number of tickets written, but by the best score on a promotional test.

Airstreamers are some of the most courteous people I have ever been around and I don't believe there is a one of us who would intentionally put an emergency services worker or highway maintenance person in harm's way due to our driving. The courtesy of moving over to the opposite lane or slowing down doesn't take a lot of time or effort and keeps us moving on down the road instead of being involved in a accident or stopped to receive a ticket.

It's a common courtesy we would expect if we were 3 feet away from a vehicle passing us at 75.
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