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Old 02-26-2004, 05:03 AM   #15
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I agree that a simulated accident or emergency, just to see if people change lanes, is going a bit far. The law is in place to prevent accidents, not set up a scenario that might cause one. With the amount of rubber necking that takes place whenever emergency vehicles are stopped on the side of the road, it seems these simulations are an unnecessary risk.
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Old 02-26-2004, 11:37 AM   #16
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I got a ticket in SoCal passing a turck going up hill at 2 AM. I was going as fast as the rig would go which was just a wee bit faster than the truck. There was no one in front of me or behind me except, in an instant the police car.
I was wrote up for going to SLOW. I contested it but the judge told me to pay the fine. There are quotas.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:05 PM   #17
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GA recently passed a simular law. While I agree that it is the right thing to do to try to provide a safer enviorment for our LEO's I think it's not going to save a single life and infact because of flaws in human nature it may well increase injuries and fatalities of our LEO's.

So now what's going to happen is everbody is going to stand on the brakes to comply when they can't get over. The other lane is jamming on their brakes because people are cutting over runnin 20mph less trying to comply. Now you have bottle neck.. The visiablility of the LEO is now decreased because of the high profile vehicles backing up.

The jerkoff that is going to hit a LEO on the side of the road is the same Jerkoff that's going to run up on traffic and rear end somebody or cut right and run down the shoulder to avoid hitting the sudden stop. It's just a matter of time before one of these people plow into the back of the cop car or worse spins out and causes a bunch of other people with questionable driving skills to do the same.

Love the priciple of the law but it has major flaws because it doesn't take into acount that about 50% of the drivers on the road are idiots.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:32 PM   #18
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Love the priciple of the law but it has major flaws because it doesn't take into acount that about 50% of the drivers on the road are idiots.
One of my favorite quotes is: "There are too many eight cylinder cars on the road being driven by two-cylinder minds." I concur.

Now to start another controversy... licensing here is waaaay to easy. Too many folks who have licenses shouldn't.

Another issue is cops on the roadside with their lights flashing. I train my people to shut their light bars down immediately after the car they're stopping has stopped on the side of the road and then use only their 4-way warning flashers. I also teach a passenger-side approach on a stop. It's WAAAAAY more safe than the traditional driver's-side approach, for a variety of reasons, although less convenient for the stopped driver.

Regarding the stupid citations people are issued; we can train ordinary folks to be cops. Unfortunately not everyone was born with people skills or common sense. As an adminstrator, there's not much I can do about that other than train, train, train... even then, if I'm still working with a two-cylinder mind... <sigh>

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Old 02-26-2004, 01:23 PM   #19
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Now to start another controversy... licensing here is waaaay to easy. Too many folks who have licenses shouldn't.

Another issue is cops on the roadside with their lights flashing. I train my people to shut their light bars down immediately after the car they're stopping has stopped on the side of the road and then use only their 4-way warning flashers. I also teach a passenger-side approach on a stop. It's WAAAAAY more safe than the traditional driver's-side approach, for a variety of reasons, although less convenient for the stopped driver.

Regarding the stupid citations people are issued; we can train ordinary folks to be cops. Unfortunately not everyone was born with people skills or common sense. As an adminstrator, there's not much I can do about that other than train, train, train... even then, if I'm still working with a two-cylinder mind... <sigh>

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Yeah I think that the take downs turned off is a good idea especialy at night. It takes away peoples night vision coming up on that. I have had times where I just about had to stop because It blew my night vision. The flashers or even the yellow direction bar I think is a good idea.

I also agree that it's too easy to get license. I think there should be more road time or more restriction before a full blown license is issued. Easier to loose with stuff like wreckless driving.

I'm terrified to have my kids learning to drive. The sad fact is when I get done with them they will be above average or I will not let them drive. Then I'll be sticking them in my 6k 4x4 with full roll cage after I put the 14.5hp Briggs and Straton engine in it from my lawn tractor.

Two cylinder mind....THat's a good one!
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Old 02-26-2004, 01:42 PM   #20
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Now to start another controversy... licensing here is waaaay to easy. Too many folks who have licenses shouldn't.

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Including some people driving trucks. It is way to easy to get a CDL. Read a few pages about airbrakes, learn how to do a pre-trip inspection, take a quick lesson from a driving instructor and a medical exam and you can drive just about anything with wheels (except hazardous materials and schoolchildren).
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Old 02-28-2004, 10:10 PM   #21
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DPS trooper dwindling

One of the main reasons for the new law is that DPS has lost several troopers in the Austin area (some on video tape) due to distracted motorists hitting them - at 70 mph.

This reduces the ability of DPS to collect adequate fines.

There has also been a significantly increased visibility of motorcycle radar cops recently - they must have some new toy's to play with and test. Not unusual to see 3-4 along the side of the road with radar guns.

They are also starting to use the vehicle mounted gizmo that calculates speed of other vehicles while the radar car is moving. This has been around a long time in some states - but seems to be a new toy here.

IH-35 through Austin can be very dangerous.
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Including some people driving trucks. It is way to easy to get a CDL. Read a few pages about airbrakes, learn how to do a pre-trip inspection, take a quick lesson from a driving instructor and a medical exam and you can drive just about anything with wheels (except hazardous materials and schoolchildren).
I do not know where you got the information, but my CDL took a lot more than that. other than the mandatory 5 days classroom, and many hours instruction on the road, the written test was 500 questions, and the driving test was 75 minutes, with a loaded trailer. On top of that the DOT endorsement tests were required to obtain the licence after the test.

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One of the main reasons for the new law is that DPS has lost several troopers in the Austin area (some on video tape) due to distracted motorists hitting them - at 70 mph....

IH-35 through Austin can be very dangerous.
That's why I avoid I-35 between Waco and San Antonio like the plague!

US 77 and US 281 are much less crowded routes with fewer trucks and "crazies". The highways have paved shoulders with passing lanes on the hills, some 4-lane and plenty of picnic areas that aren't stacked full of 18 wheelers to stop for a break. You'll have more stops going through small towns, but it's much easier on the nerves when towing a trailer.

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Old 02-29-2004, 07:47 AM   #24
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Well, I'll feel a lot safer driving through Tennessee than Minnesota. I'm just giving you my experiences. No classroom. Maybe 30 minutes on the road instruction. Written test was about 50 questions (multiple choice). Test took about an hour.
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Old 03-28-2004, 01:27 PM   #25
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As a former police officer, I can honestly say that I NEVER had a quota. They ALWAYS let us write as many tickets as we wanted to!
----on a more serious note----
Isn't this law simply trying to instill a little common courtesy? I challenge anyone to be standing beside the roadway and have a vehicle pass you going 55 or more MPH within a few feet of you and not get scared, feel uneasy, etc.
Courteous drivers have always pulled to the left when there was a vehicle [not just a police officer] on the right shoulder of the roadway.
Texas also, like many other states, has a law also that automatically double traffic fines in a construction zone if workers are present.
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Old 03-31-2004, 02:27 PM   #26
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I got a finger shook at me for not pulling over a couple days ago by an officer who had someone pulled over at the bottom of an overpass....on the downhill side of it. You could not even SEE there was an officer there until I was within 100 yards of him. If the Trooper wants me to pull over into the left lane, or slow down, he needs to be VISIBLE with enough distance to accommodate compliance with the law. I will gladly comply given a chance to do so.
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Old 03-31-2004, 05:31 PM   #27
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I'd be calling the Texas Governor's office to raise hell! Doesn't Texas DPS have anything better to do with their time than to 'simulate' an emergency to catch move-over violators who are otherwise minding their own business? Geez! Aren't there any 'REAL' emergencies in Texas that they ought to be legitimately dealing with? What a waste of taxpayers' money!

More importantly, depending on how that law is written, I'm not entirely sure that it was violated if DPS wasn't operating in the due course of their duties; in other words, if they only had the lights going to see who wasn't going to move over, I'm not sure that there was an exigency that made it NECESSARY for traffic to move in accordance with the statute... Hmmmm....

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So they have a real purpose, why not send out a couple of extra units to a bonafide emergency, and then pull over people that don't comply. No one's ire would be raised from wasted imitation emergencies, the law would be enforced, and think how secure you would feel if 4 cruisers pulled up to assist you with a fender-bender!
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Enjoyed reading this thread from three years ago. I can say that Texas drivers seem to understand this better than before (I was taught many years ago to do just this, now it is easier since others "get it") and, unless you have the 75-mph cretins out in packs, traffic moves quite well.

Texas finally changed the road signage from "Slower traffic keep right" to "Left lane for passing only". I wish the DPS would go after this more (with attendant TV news coverage) as the cretins think that since they are speeding that they should therefore remain in the left lane.

I've woken more than one from a snooze when I signal to move out to the left lane and proceed to do so.

Overtaking is not passing. Ironically, the "move left" law causes the cretins to see this more often and they don't lose their tiny bit of composure so easily.
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