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Old 12-29-2013, 10:23 AM   #15
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Check your state's vehicle statutes for "Obstructed Vision". Ask State Police.

In Michigan, it's $110 fine and two points. Yamaha 125 on front of my D200 P-Wagon, Couldn't beat it in court. Cited city bus with front bike racks, but it's written into law that they're exempt. Michigan Statute also exempts out of state registered vehicles.

Truth is, it does obstruct your vision, reflects headlight glare, makes your bikes nasty, inhibits under-hood access.... and more.

I don't see a viable solution to carry bikes outside... front, back, top or middle.

A good point, I cut my bike rack down in height and re-welded it so the bikes ride quite low. I can barely see the bars / seat tops over the line of the hood.

I was concerned in fact that the bikes might be too low after cutting the rack down, but I have never had any problems.

Apart from obstructing vision though, I suspect that there are also laws about obstructing headlights, and I guess you can't deny that they do - however minimal the obstruction may be.

So I guess we could get cited for that if some LEO wanted to be very picky.

We've been carrying the bikes the way for 15 years though and never had any issues although been alongside police acts, had them in front of me, etc many many times.

Not to say it couldn't happen though, and I suppose if it did I would have to squeeze the bikes into the back of the truck to carry on …. for a while anyway!

No doubt we'll keep doing things this way, until we encounter a problem!

As for the headlight obstruction, it really is barely noticeable and in any event we are very rarely on the road with the trailer after dark.


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Old 12-29-2013, 08:57 PM   #16
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12.3 @69 MPH. Avg. on interstate. Pulling 31', I can live with it.
so you are looking at what some 13 to 13.5 with out scooter in front.
not bad for pulling a 31'er

I can see the scooter being a fun as heck thing to have in campground area as well.. especially if "stuff" is long distance away from campsite.

PS what year is that cummings..
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Old 12-30-2013, 07:14 AM   #18
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:56 AM   #19
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Over many years, tried bikes on front (visibility, road grime and bug problem), bikes on top (bugs and poor accessibility), bikes inside camper (where to sleep and eat), bikes in pickup bed (works fairly well), bikes on back of van (works well), and bikes on back of Airstream (works well).
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Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts...some great ideas and suggestions. I've also considered a bed rack or construction rack but lowered so it sits just a few inches above the truck bed then attach racks to hold front and back of bikes. That way I can still use the truck bed space for usual camping stuff...

Hmmmm....
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Nobody indicated their TV ran hotter due to restricted air flow in front. I assume that's not an issue?
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I carried two bikes in front rack for 1500 miles. Daytime was no problem. Running through rain cleaned off any road grime they picked up because when we got home they were fine. But - while they don't obstruct my vision except for about 10' in front of the truck, I find nighttime driving to be difficult. They cut down on the light delivered to the roadway which is a problem when you are on secondary roads in unfamiliar places, and they reflect light back into my eyes which compounds the problem of less light on the road.

I'm going to try some fork mounts on a piece of carpet wrapped plywood to go between the twin beds with a stabilizing bungee cord from side to side. With the rear bedroom twin, that will not obstruct access to galley or bathroom area for short stops. I'm also considering adding a rear mount hitch to the trailer. I did the frame test of bouncing up and down on the frame rails (I'm not a small guy) and it all seemed really solid. No apparent movement between the bumper top and the shell, so I'm going to discount the "official" advice that says don't do it. I have a friend with a newer Safari 25. The PO added a hitch and mounts for two Honda 2000s to the rear. No apparent problems with that install, either, so my bikes only (less than 100#) should be OK. I may try to put in a couple of struts like the Fiamma rack has to minimize bouncing.

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Nobody indicated their TV ran hotter due to restricted air flow in front. I assume that's not an issue?
Been carrying bikes that way for 15 years on three vehicles, minivan, 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks, and never had any problems that way.

However it is true that most of our driving in mountainous country that would be expected to tax the engine is in winter months, so ambient temperatures have been reasonable.

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Old 11-15-2014, 09:34 AM   #24
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I carried two bikes in front rack for 1500 miles. Daytime was no problem. Running through rain cleaned off any road grime they picked up because when we got home they were fine. But - while they don't obstruct my vision except for about 10' in front of the truck, I find nighttime driving to be difficult. They cut down on the light delivered to the roadway which is a problem when you are on secondary roads in unfamiliar places, and they reflect light back into my eyes which compounds the problem of less light on the road.

I'm going to try some fork mounts on a piece of carpet wrapped plywood to go between the twin beds with a stabilizing bungee cord from side to side. With the rear bedroom twin, that will not obstruct access to galley or bathroom area for short stops. I'm also considering adding a rear mount hitch to the trailer. I did the frame test of bouncing up and down on the frame rails (I'm not a small guy) and it all seemed really solid. No apparent movement between the bumper top and the shell, so I'm going to discount the "official" advice that says don't do it. I have a friend with a newer Safari 25. The PO added a hitch and mounts for two Honda 2000s to the rear. No apparent problems with that install, either, so my bikes only (less than 100#) should be OK. I may try to put in a couple of struts like the Fiamma rack has to minimize bouncing.

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I agree that I have noted some issue with night driving. I suppose if I did a lot of it, I too might look for another way to carry the bikes, but the way we travel, it is a rare thing for us to be on the road towing the trailer after dark.

I can see that It certainly could be a consideration though. I don't feel it is to the point of being unsafe, but I guess anything that impedes visibility is less than desirable.

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Nobody indicated their TV ran hotter due to restricted air flow in front. I assume that's not an issue?
I've carried bikes on my front-mounted rack many times. With my particular rack and bikes, visibility issues exist but are slight, and headlight issues are more of a concern, but we don't typically drive at night; however, in my experience, with high ambient temperatures and CA mountain roads with long ascents, overheating is a significant issue. I didn't notice it so much with one bike, more so with two, but adding a third bike significantly obstructed airflow, requiring us to restrict our ascents to early morning. I wouldn't do it again.
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I have reconsidered my options

I previously posted about towing 1500 miles with front mounted bikes. I forgot to mention that I did have an "overheat" issue climbing a 6-mile long 8% grade, but I don't know if the bikes contributed to it or not, because I have not climbed that grade without the bikes.

I did some reading on other forums about rear-mounted bike carriers and there are quite a few horror stories out there. Even if it doesn't overstress the trailer, ball mounts and hitches have failed and folks have dragged bikes for miles or even lost them without knowing it.

A rear hitch will run about $300, then I'd have to figure out how to add some struts to limit the bouncing.

A poster on one of the other RV forums used a method that is attractive to me and not expensive to try.

Racor - Floor Bike Stand - Bike Storage - PBS-2R

I'm going to order one of these and put it in the bedroom between the twin beds. I'll add a bungee cord or nylon strap or two from side to side to stabilize the bikes. I'll probably mount it on a couple of carpet covered 2x4s to keep it from moving side to side. I feel it is superior to my idea of fork mounts because the bikes don't need to be disassembled. Access to the bathroom, galley and seating are is not obstructed. Removal of the bikes is simple, take off the bungees and roll them out. Also gives you a place to park them when camped.
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I've had front hitch receivers on 2 F-250's primarily for carrying our bikes. I definitely had to adjust the bike rack height to maintain field of vision. I always remove the seats. I do not like to drive this set-up at night as headlights reflect back off wheels and spokes. I bit the bullet some months ago and had AS install the bike rack on the back of our FC 27FB. I far prefer that set-up to the front mount altho the latter took us many thousands of miles.
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