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Old 04-21-2005, 09:36 PM   #15
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I believe our tour guide said that all units were getting the larger front rock guards with the exception of the Bambi models. The idea of a higher guard was evidently suggested to them by their transport drivers, as they were noting damage to new units they were delivering that was "just above" the existing rock guards.
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Old 04-22-2005, 08:35 AM   #16
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"Bottom line, if you're gonna wait, then wait for the "Special Edition" if it's to your liking since that gets the special windowsBottom line, if you're gonna wait, then wait for the "Special Edition" if it's to your liking since that gets the special windows"

I would wait, but the Missus and I don't like the exposed aluminum skins on the interior. If they would make the "Special Edition" without the exposed skins inside, I would wait for that!

I don't like the little vents at the bottom of the windows in the Safari windows being the only part of the window that opens. In the Spring and Fall, and at shady sites in the cooler parts of the country, I want to be able to open the windows and get as much air circulation as possible. I will be odering an extra fantastic fan to help with the air circulation, but there will be times that I won't want to hear the fan running, like at night for example.

It seems to me that it wouldn't be that hard to put the Classic style windows in. Even the wrap around window could be put in the Safari 30' we want by using the same front bedroom configuration that the Safri 25' FB uses. I think that would be a real rocking coach to have the Safari 25' FB front bedroom, the rest of the Safari 30' floor plan including bunk beds, and Classic windows with the front wrap window, and Vistaview windows where ever locations would permit. We could name it after me...the Safari 30' TCE or just the Safari 30' Classic if Airstream didn't want share the glory thing.
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Old 04-22-2005, 11:12 AM   #17
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It's going to be interesting to see the evalution of the Safari. As a former Safari owner I saw things that were on the Classics that I felt should have been on the Safari. As time has gone on we have seen the product creap towards the Classics but in some cases the end result isn't exactly the same. Things like spare tires, power jacks, double steps, heavier stabilizer jacks, were all things added to either the official option list or as standard equipment. Each has a penalty in weight and $$.

It comes down to whether the Safari will evolve to become a more stylized twin of the Classic, but unfortunately in doing so demands a higher price and requires you to choose a larger tow vehicle. I probably wouldn't have had my Classic today if it hadn't been that first step taken by buying the Safari. At the time weight was the most important factor and then the cost itself running a close second. Airstream needs to be careful here to watch price points and weight in reference to attracting first time buyers.

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Old 04-22-2005, 11:35 AM   #18
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Hey Twink.

Thanks for all the useful information. I'm glad that Airstream treated you and the coach better than expected. I am going to bring our unit in for a go-over next March or April, as that will bring me up to just under the two year under warranty expiration.

I have a few things on my list, but when I look it over, nothing at all serious.

I would really dig having the two-step entry as opposed to the one "giant leap for mankind...." step.

....and that Safari Special edition...don't get me goin' I am reminded by the Mrs. that we should keep the VW Eurovan, to keep my mind away from thoughts of that trailer!!! Saved by GVWR!

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Old 04-22-2005, 12:23 PM   #19
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It comes down to whether the Safari will evolve to become a more stylized twin of the Classic, but unfortunately in doing so demands a higher price and requires you to choose a larger tow vehicle. I probably wouldn't have had my Classic today if it hadn't been that first step taken by buying the Safari. At the time weight was the most important factor and then the cost itself running a close second. Airstream needs to be careful here to watch price points and weight in reference to attracting first time buyers.

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I understand that the Safari line is intended to be an entry level Airstream and think it should continue to be. However, we selected the 30' Safari for one reason: the Bunkhouse floor plan. We have two young boys, currently ages 5 and 8 and the bunk beds are perfect for them. They are perfect for the parents in that we don't have to convert something like a dinet or sofa into a bed for them every night and then convert it back every morning. In the future, as they get older they won't want to share a bed either. This is the reason we chose the Safari. If it had been a Classic it would have still been the trailer for us regardless. Unfortunately, the Classic line isn't available with the bunk beds and separate bedroom for the parents. We also do like the clean lines of the cabinets of the Safari, but would have like to see them in a better grade of materials. I'm sure Airstream has done a lot of market research and that is why they are coming out with new models, but I think they should look at more family friendly variations of each level of their line-up.

I realize for many families tow vehicle is an issue. Not everyone wants to drive a truck and especially one the size of a battleship. But for me, my choice of tow vehicle for the 30' is an F-250 Powerstroke Diesel Supercrew. So for me weight doesn't become an issue either. I know that I will have power to spare for the Safari and that's the way I want it to be. A half ton would have been sufficient for the 30' Safari, but I don't want to be in a bind on hills or in mountains.

It would be nice, though, if there was a "Special Edition" of the 30' Safari offered along with the regular 30' Safari and 30' Safari LS.
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It a hard call. I mean in one breath Airstream wants to give the customer what they want, yet at the same time, be careful of not to dilute the models to the point where the differences are nill. I think it's possible if they are careful.

With the added weight of the gear, I think it's a pretty safe bet that the axle upgrades could allow all the bells and whistles were talking about here.

My guess is that it would be eaiser for you to request the non CCD interior panels than it would be for you to get the wrap around windows in a standard Safari. Unless Airstream has changed their postition, the answer was no about a year ago for the windows in a plain jane Safari. But now, maybe there is a way to get both of what you want if they every offer a 30' special edition....which at this point, your guess is as good as mine.

The 25' also has the bunk as an option. I think the same as the 30', but the 25' does not have the queen size bed.

If I were going into a 25' Safari again, the dual step is standard. I agree about the interior alum skin, but I am torn, I like the recessed lights on the ceiling. I think I'd see if I could get a special edition, but only have the kitchen splashguard and ceiling with the CCD alum skin. Might bring down the cost a bit, plus I'd gain the cool windows. With a 7300 GVWR now, I think it would be more than possible.

Now if the do offer a 30' Safari Special edition, your half way there, but if they don't and Airstream won't offer a on the line custom job at this point, then you'll have some choices to make.

As for the Safari windows, I found that one fantastic vent does wonders, two can create a virtual tornado in the coach. I have two.

One last word of advice, if you get a 25' or a 30' any model, pay the extra money for the 15k BTU A/C unit and also get the second fantastic vent for the rear vent. These were two options I don't reget having used both with great success and satisfaction. I think I spent at or below $500 for both options and in retrospect, it's a no brainer after seeing first hand how they work in the areas I've needed them!
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It would be interesting to know what they have to do to retro fit the dual steps? Apparently they don't just unbolt & replace them with the dual.
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Old 04-22-2005, 11:35 PM   #22
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I agree with the 15K A/C. This was one of the "no-brainers" for us. We live in Georgia and plan to use the coach at least one week end per month year round and plan a week at the beach each year. We also have family in Florida and are real Disney fanatics (we have annual passes and go at least 3 times a year now) so I know there will be lots of trips to Florida. We also plan to take longer trips to the Western states when our two boys get old enough to really remember so Summer camping will require the largest A/C we can get.

But it is the Spring and Fall months that I would like the windows for. We just visited a mini-ralley in the north Georgia mountains where everyone had their windows open during the daytime and no one used their A/C and I don't think anyone used their power vents. I went into one of the AS's and there was no need for A/C during the day. This is what I am talking about wanting big windows for. The vista views would be great for the extra light and some privacy with the blinds closed in the early moring and early evening, too.
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Old 04-23-2005, 01:25 AM   #23
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It would be interesting to know what they have to do to retro fit the dual steps? Apparently they don't just unbolt & replace them with the dual.
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I suspect it's more of an issue with the the chassis configuration than anything else.
Several years ago when I was on a factory tour, I asked Don, the tour guide, about using the "standard aluminum" step in place of the steel and, his answer was..It wasn't possible to swap from steel to aluminum.
I'll look under a few of the models and see what the different is..
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:36 AM   #24
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As far as I can tell, the 2 step is a bit wider, not as wide as the Classic, cuz that they said they would have had to change a lot more, thus the extra cost to that of the standard Safari 2 step. Looks to me that they had to cut a bit of the lower brown facia trim to accomidate the wider two step. I think that some of the outrigging also had to be changed, but don't quote me on that, but after any of those changes, it bolted straight up. It took them about 2 hours to do it for our 2004, other years/models may vary. In the end, it looks great, like it was done on the line, with the exception that it's black, meaning they didn't paint over it all and even paint over the traction tape like I saw on ones coming off the factory floor, which to me not having it painted in that manner is a plus. Being that it's black, it I feel it also blends in better with the lower facia trim, but that's just my personal opinion. I'll post some pics to my website once I get back and let you all know when they are on there.

On the window side, I've been happy with the amount of air in spring and fall. If for some reason there is no wind or the wind is too light, I turn on one or two of the fantastic fans on low and get instant breeze. I find this helpful both when not connected or connected to shore power. One other really great thing about the fantastic vents/fans is that they both have the rain sensor. Last year while here in the Louisville area working on the farm, I was out in the field when it started to pour. With no time to get to the coach in time to close them, as I made a mad dash for the camper (forgetting these units had rain sensors), I made my way round the corner to the Safari to find that the vents had closed on their own, and that zero water got in.......
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Old 04-23-2005, 07:57 AM   #25
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the two step is a pain....its a hassel to put down, and its a hassel to put up...the added leverage puts tremendous strain on the mounting points. john hd showed me a jig that will stiffen the structure...personally i think its just another piece of crap to fool with....we all need less crap in our life....
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Started from Baltimore at 6:30 am and got to the factory just as they were finishing the tour. The constant rain and an accident in PA.involving a tractor trailer that backed up traffic for 10 miles and forever delayed our progress just enough to make us to late for the factory tour.We did get a personal tour of a 34 LTD slideout that had just come off the line. I was really impressed with the quality. If this unit is an example of whats rolling off the line, the attention to detail and workmanship shows. It was excellent especially the cabinet work. I hope mine comes out as well. Looked at a 34' non-slide at the dealer in Columbus on our way home, because this is the unit that we are ordering and have to say it felt like it had more room up front than the slide. Also the issue that I was having with the stove top positioned next to the credenza wasn't as big a deal as I thought when seen in person and not just as a layout in the catalog. The 06's are weeks away, so will wait to see the new fabrics, although the LTD with Willow and the Tan Corian counter tops was really nice. Total trip was over 1100 miles in 21 hours.
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Wow, sorry you did not make it for the tour. That had to only add to the frustration of your long trip. I am glad you liked what you did see.
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