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Old 12-28-2012, 08:08 PM   #15
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This guy was no longer in the Marines, and the US gov did intervene to get him out. Mexico is "Off-limits" to active military.

But he was lucky, although his rifle and RV are still in Mexico.

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If Jesse Ventura was the president, he prolly would of been back in 4 day's, not 4 months.
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If you have to ask if a place is safe enough to travel to, especially with Mexico constantly in the news, I think you have answered your own question. Have you checked the State Dept website on travel to foreign countries to see what they have to say?
If you go, will you be comfortable or constantly looking over your shoulder?
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:40 PM   #17
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:33 PM   #18
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My brother lives about 5 miles from Mexico, and has for 30 years. He used to go over frequently for dinner, etc.

He will not go now.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:43 AM   #19
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Risk and Safety in Mexico

Just as in the USA, there are places in Mexico that are dangerous and should be avoided. Unfortunately for the RV Traveller, these are primarily the border towns. See the US Dept of State for the latest information. One can generally identify which areas and activities to avoid. 32 Americans were killed in Mexico during the first six months of 2012. How about the USA? It is interesting to note that there were more deaths caused by drug use than there were motor vehicle fatalities in 2009. There were at least 37,485 drug-related fatalities that year, according to preliminary data compiled by the U.S.

How many Americans were murdered in schools, movie theaters and shopping malls this year?

We spent 5 months this year living and traveling in the Yucatan - a wonderful area rich in culture. We lived on our sailboat and travelled extensively in the interior by public transport. We've lived, worked and travelled all over this world and rate Mexico as reasonably safe for the properly informed traveller.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:59 PM   #20
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It's amazing to see the number of Canadian and American RVers who winter in south Texas, AZ, CA and NM. Imagine the missed opportunity for tourism dollars in Mexico: I'm sure many RVers would like to drive south into a different culture and warmer temps.
Of course, road condition might be another issue once the Mexican drug related violence disappears.
I've flown into different areas in Mexico, rented a car to drive around and never felt unsafe (Yucatan, Acapulco). But all it takes is one unlucky day and you might have your head chopped off...
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:32 PM   #21
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We winter in those Southwest areas every year and would love to go deep into Mexico. So much to see and experience.

It won't happen as things are. I don't know if the country will ever restore civility.
Our own country has lost some of it, heavily armed and dangerous in some places. With no solutions there and frontier solutions here, doesn't look like its going to get better.

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Old 12-29-2012, 03:43 PM   #22
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I'm flying in & flying out in a couple of weeks to Cozumel....can't wait!!
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:07 PM   #23
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We have been visiting Mexico, in various places since 1970...Things have changed...we WON'T go back...!

We've never really been hassled by the Policia, but have been by various Govt agencies for their 'required' paperwork to visit their country - unlike their citizens that 'visit' our country after a short 'hike'...!

We recently 'owned' (leased) a great place right on a wonderful beach below Mulege in Baja California Sur... Had the place for almost 10 years, and it was wonderful place to be, once there...

Things have changed - prices are much higher today than in years past - the local citizens suffer from higher cost of living and some have taken to inventing new sources of income...

Some Pemex gas/diesel station (only stations in Mexico) vendors invent ways to 'cheat' the price if you're not vigilant, and once you've been 'taken' you have no one to turn to, to correct the situation...

Rental land costs for foreigners have risen as the Mexicans have realized just how attractive their 'beach front' locations are to us...cantinas, markets, etc., have, for the most part, 'adjusted' their prices to reflect the visiting 'well heeled' foreigners....

Travel on remote Mexican roads can be hazardous...narrow roads, grazing cattle (reason for not driving at night), dangerous local driving habits, banditios-yes armed bad guys that like the looks of you nice new SUV or Pickup!

Mexican armed military check points on their roads are also a hassle - travel delays and light fingered tactics by some less-than-honest soldiers...NEVER let them go through your stuff without being next to them - lock other doors so they can't divide and conquer, so to speak!!!

We haven't had the 'pleasure' of having our vehicle stolen or in a road accident, but have known those that have - it's almost a COMPLETE loss of not only your vehicle but ALL your possessions as well... Sure insurance helps to some degree, but does not make you completely well again, and can take many months, if not years - plus you have to find another way to get home at your expense!!!

No we won't be going back - we loved the places we visited and lived in Mexico, but the current risks and increased prices have changed all that...

We've elected to spend our RV & vacation dollars here in the USA - there's no conversion rate to worry about, also, the money, for the most part stays here to 'help' our economy...!

IMHO, why spend your dollars below the border and take the odd chance of being harmed there - I'll take my chances of up here any day, the natives are friendly (for the most part), and they speak English (for the most part)...

Getting to see all that's available here at home can take several life times - we'll just have to find another 'beach' closer to home...!
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:16 AM   #24
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All the things MexRay says are true to a degree.
I have heard of all these things happening but never to me or someone I know with the exception of gas station fraud. It is much less prevelent than it used to be because the newer pumps must be zeroed before each use.
I don't use credit cards for gas because of identity theft and watch my change. If someone tries to cheat me I stand my ground and respond in my basic Spanish. If the cheat pursists, which is almost never, I ask for the boss. I am patient and quiet and have never been successfully cheated. You can't pull into a station tell them to filler up and go to the rest room. You may be plucked clean as a chicken.
Some of the paperwork is a hassle and expensive but it is less of a hassle crossing into Mexico than back into the U.S. We have had unpleasant instances with hyper Miami vice type U.S. customs officers and we are not difficult to get along with. Mexican officialdom and young soldies are unfailingly polite. The customs people are agreeable as they have been told not to discourage people from entering Mexico.
There are things you worry about in the U.S. such as road rage and mall shootings that never occur in Mexico. Generally the violence occurs over money or drugs rather than anger and does not involve gringos. Most people do not have a hand gun. (Do not bring yours into Mexico unless you want to see the most unpleasant side of Mexican officialdom).
To each his own, we have no stake in getting people to come to Mexico who would be nervous about the trip. We love to fish and boat and have found one of the best places in the world to do it.
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I've been in and out of Mexico for the last 30 years. First, Mexico was never that safe to travel in. The police were unreliable and there always was some political unrest. Still, up until about five years ago it wasn't all that bad. If you stuck to the main travel routes and tourist locations it was fairly safe.
I would not try it this year or any year until Mexico gets it durg cartels under control. Last time I was there you could hear automatic gun fire from the hotel durring the night. No way I'd take a camper or RV into Mexico right now.
The only way you might consider it is if you have freinds or family who live in Mexico. They might be able to help you plan a route that would keep you out of danger. There is nothing better than good info from someone on the ground who knows the area. I have a friend that goes every year. His wife is Mexican and they have familly that lives there. She is well informed, speaks the language and knows the land. Do you?
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I've been in and out of Mexico for the last 30 years. First, Mexico was never that safe to travel in. The police were unreliable and there always was some political unrest. Still, up until about five years ago it wasn't all that bad. If you stuck to the main travel routes and tourist locations it was fairly safe.
I would not try it this year or any year until Mexico gets it durg cartels under control. Last time I was there you could hear automatic gun fire from the hotel durring the night. No way I'd take a camper or RV into Mexico right now.
The only way you might consider it is if you have freinds or family who live in Mexico. They might be able to help you plan a route that would keep you out of danger. There is nothing better than good info from someone on the ground who knows the area. I have a friend that goes every year. His wife is Mexican and they have familly that lives there. She is well informed, speaks the language and knows the land. Do you?


I take it that you wouldn't travel through New Orleans, either, which has seen 192 murders so far this year, mostly related to drugs and handguns. I was born in NOLA, and know that risk lies much closer to home than Mexico. With all respect, my point is that people shouldn't lose perspective and make absolute statements about entire countries.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:19 AM   #27
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I take it that you wouldn't travel through New Orleans, either, which has seen 192 murders so far this year, mostly related to drugs and handguns. I was born in NOLA, and know that risk lies much closer to home than Mexico. With all respect, my point is that people shouldn't lose perspective and make absolute statements about entire countries.
And for that matter, you won't find me in South Chicago either.
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And for that matter, you won't find me in South Chicago either.
Or the south side of Peoria, Il, west side of Bloomington, Il, New York City, etc.

A good point made by JamJoe, IMO. Much can be said for experience and therefore, perspective.

Many people are afraid of NOLA, which we find flabbergasting. We have been there several dozen times over the past 20 years and have never had any problems. It is one of our favorite cities. We have always heeded warnings of areas to avoid and times of night to be inside.

Doug and I spent 25 years working in and around less desirable neighborhoods, and were never accosted or had any problems. Sometimes we were in the company of law enforcement, most of the time we were not. People in the white collar world couldn't believe what we did for a living, and weren't we afraid???

We used common sense and remained alert to our environment----also looked people in the eye, greeted everyone pleasantly and acted unafraid. This is what we were told worked best, and it did.

It seems that travel in Mexico has worked well for some, who perhaps over years have perfected the art of being safe in that country.

Glad for them, wish things weren't in the state they are now which prevents many of us from experiencing Mexico. Probably not the place for a greenhorn, at this point in time at least.


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