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Old 03-31-2006, 06:30 AM   #15
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been there , done that

A guy tried to use moonshine to winterize his plumbing. He figured that booze was cheap and water soluable and better for the environment than antifreeze. The result was in a real nasty science project in his tanks.
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Old 03-31-2006, 08:02 AM   #16
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My 31 pulls MUCH better with a full water tank. After I put new axles and tires on a couple of years ago, we took off for Equine Affaire in Columbus, Ohio. The water tank was empty. The trailer swayed. Bad. I did not have a sway bar on at the time. We stopped at the first truck stop we saw, and filled up the water tank. Wow! What a difference! I always keep it full when towing.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:20 AM   #17
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I wouldn't worry too much about driving around "half full", either. the amount of weight we're talking about here is miniscule, compared to an ocean-going vessel. having driven large tank trucks for a living, I do know what that sloshing around is like, but its only noticeable when you're talking in terms of hundreds, or thousands of gallons. not "tens" of gallons. the tank (at least in the 70's models) already has a sort of built-in baffle, and even if it didn't the distance from one end of the tank to the other is just not worth mentioning.

but sure...an extra 400lbs down low will make a difference in ride. Its not noticeable in my trailer, probably because it already has a fairly stout tongue weight. (more than some much larger trailers of its era, due to the short rear overhang). but 200lbs worth of "slosh"? bah. don't worry about it. I drive around with varying amounts of water in my tank. honestly can't tell the difference, and certainly can't feel the movement of "half a tank".
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:35 AM   #18
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Filling fresh water tank

Most of the camp grounds I have been in have hard water. My Airstream garage has soft water handy. I fill my tank full of it. It sure is nice not to have soap scum. My dishes and I all come out cleaner.

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Old 03-31-2006, 09:44 AM   #19
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I also filter the water that goes into the tank with one of those in line filters that takes out sediment, lead, etc. Growing up camping with my fam, we would run low in the UP of MI, and put some well water from a boondocking campground pump. It had high iron content, and it made the tank rust colored, so I am careful what I put into the tank. From that tank, to the Airstream pipes to mine.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:45 AM   #20
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Ok, next question.

There's a 50 gallon oak barrel of Maker's Mark burbon down in a Kentucky warehouse with my name on it. When it finishes aging, I was wondering how to get it home. Now, I know - if you find something that tastes good, fill you tank, slowly, and travel with it.

Any problems with doing that?

I know it wouldn't freeze if we had to stay over at a rest stop in the winter due to a road closure. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!

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Do I hear a Rally call in the future for the PA Dutch Country? Talk about roll out the barrel.... BTW.. Do you get to keep the barrel for BBQ Wood, I'll bring the brisket...
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Odd man out here.

I don't, can't, and won't carry any water in my FWT when traveling due to the towing capacity of my Eurovan. I try to keep as light a load as possible. Carrying another 200# or so could determine if I have a tow vehicle left for another trip.

On that note, I have never been (so far) to a campground that did not have some form of water hydrant (drinking), so we fill up upon arrival. We also just use the water in the FWT to do dishes, clean bodies, etc. We carry two or three 2.5 gal plastic store bought containers of H2O for drinking, coffee and so on. Our concern is ussually finding a dump station to get rid of waste weight, if the CG we are at does not have one.

We were just in Mammoth Cave at the main campground that has a dump station, but the day we were leaving, they closed it for "maintainance". So we had to tow eight hilly miles to a Jellystone, and pay $15.00 to use the dump.

We have been to a couple of places in Utah a few years ago when we were just in the Euro where there was no water around for miles. So in that case, carrying would come in very handy.

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Ok, next question.

There's a 50 gallon oak barrel of Maker's Mark burbon down in a Kentucky warehouse with my name on it. When it finishes aging, I was wondering how to get it home. Now, I know - if you find something that tastes good, fill you tank, slowly, and travel with it.


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We'll be staying in Bardstown on our way down to Georgia for the rally later this month. I would be happy to pick up that barrel and take care of it for you. There will be plenty of people at the rally to help me watch the barrel.
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Old 04-01-2006, 09:35 AM   #23
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By the way we never drive with our water tank full. Fuel is just too expensive and water is free! We keep just enough for the day's use and then put some more in when we get to our night's stop. When we get to our destination we fill up. The tank sits under our sofa behind my driver's seat and I never hear the water sloshing around.
This is also a fifty gallon tank so if that barrel of Maker's Mark starts to leak I can always pour it into my water tank.
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I'd put the keg in the F-250 bed and secure it. If you put it in the Airstream, I'd try to put it over the axles or closer toward the front (never the back, or rear of the axles), but the pickup bed of your F250 would be the best place to put that barrel.
Eric -- I've got a plan here. It flys in the face of what we know about loads and rear end separation. If flyfisher mounts that barrel on his rear bumper, we all could draft behind him with an icepick and a glass .....
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Hi there;
Always driving with full clear water tank and empty black water tank ...

There was one time, the black water was full and driving with that level of "water" has reserved me a terrible situation inside the trailer; the odor and the rest ; Curiously now , i never forget to dump before departure .

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more weight "increases fuel efficiency (in ships)"

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ships if at all possible displace fuel usage with seawater ballast to offset the used fuel. For some of the same reasons as the trailer - lowers the center of gravity, increases fuel efficiency (in ships) and ride ALOT BETTER.
I disagree with the statement above, "increases fuel efficiency (in ships)".
That statement defies both common logic and my personal experience with paddling a canoe with 3 people vs. only two people. I find that it is harder to paddle with that 3rd person aboard. Wouldn't harder to paddle contradict "increases fuel efficiency (in ships)"?
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Eric -- I've got a plan here. It flys in the face of what we know about loads and rear end separation. If flyfisher mounts that barrel on his rear bumper, we all could draft behind him with an icepick and a glass .....
Golly, I wish I had so many volunteers around when I say I need help washing and waxing my trailer!

That reminds me of the late Ed Zern, who wrote a monthly article in Field & Stream magazine called "Exit Laughing". He told about how to make an extra dry Martini by pouring a bottle of gin in a river and then catching it in a glass some distance downsteam.

However, all you "volunteers" should know that the burbon was only recently put in the barrel. What will it be before the 50 gallons is ready? Seven years?

However, in case one of you wishes to stop by the warehouse, I have been informed that the Maker's Mark burbon people plug the barrel's hole with a walnut plug. "We insist on using hard walnut so we can get into your barrel and taste the burbon throughout the aging process." Anyone volunteer to be a quality control tester?

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too simple an answer - sorry

I agree this was a very big over-simplification of the facts in general a ship will onload seawater to offset fuel useage. I am on a ship right now and to be sure I used this example correctly I questioned the ships Captain. In general, the ship will TRIM itself for an efficient ride. Before we leave port all the gear I will use for my job is weighed and the mounting location determined in the proper trim of the vessel. Fuel useage is a daily factor in ship trim, the location of the day tank (fuel to be used that day - there are several day tanks), which storage tank the fuel is pumped from, and the offset ballast in seawater is calculated. Efficiency is more than fuel consumption, includes how the ship handles, the ride conditions for the crew (for me the most important factor ) and expected seastate and external conditions are accounted for along with a whole host of other factors. There is a sweet spot in the draft of the vessel that gives maximum efficiency for the fuel used. We burn $13K of fuel a day - trim is very important.

Back to the AS question "is it OK to drive with the tank full?", well I belive alot of what I said above relates to towing. How does the trailer behave? How does the TV behave? What is the loss of MPG in relation to the need to carry water? ETC......

I'm not a seaman but I have lived aboard oceanographic research vessels for well over 6 years of the past 17 years of my career. Some of the of the information on ship operation rubs off.
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