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Old 03-17-2019, 09:26 AM   #1
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Tow Vehicle Quality Reviews?

Howdy!

Been researching a new TV for my Sport 22FB.

Found all the specs and reviews but can't find long term quality and issues with each.

I've been spoiled with a series of Toyotas having over 20 years of literally 100% perfect performance, not one issue, not one minute in a shop, starts every time! Resale value on each excellent.

Research is pointing towards the F150 but are they getting 200K trouble free miles? Dodge 1500 intrigues me too but again long term quality.

Opinions welcome but looking for a good site that has say the downside of each and what I can expect after the factory warranty expires.

Being Toyota guy the Tundra makes sense but MPG and styling severely lacking. But at least its an old fashioned truck with put too much computer controlled engine performance; it should out last most of the competition but that just means I'll spend $1000's on fuel and have a 1995 looking interior unless I spend $60K....

Oh yea! Trying to keep it ~$45K if you want to chime in model wise...

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Old 03-17-2019, 09:35 AM   #2
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:36 AM   #3
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Tow Vehicle Quality Reviews?

You will undoubtedly get many opinions. Research Andy Thompson and CanAm in Ontario.
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:58 AM   #4
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At the definite risk of offending many brand diehards.

As you yourself mentioned, you've been spoiled. Not just spoiled but that is going to be the bar by which you judge any future vehicles. I would say you're setting yourself up for disappointment to get anything else long term. Every other manufacturer trades more features and big numbers, at the cost of long term reliability and durability.

If you read between the lines on these boards, domestic owners are changing their vehicles regularly at 100k miles. Sure, many are affluent and just want new. But there's just as many examples where money is a concern, yet they need to upgrade.

It's because any other brand simply does not hold up to the degree that a Toyota will over the long term. Interior starts falling apart. Many little nits start occuring. Sometimes big nits such and driveline, suspension, or transmission need to be replaced. Statistically, there is data that definitively puts Toyota out ahead in this regards for long term satisfaction. It's not chance that Toyota has earned a reputation on long term reliability, with high resale, in the used car market. It's also not chance that Ford consistently rates just below average in various studies. Their advanced features and gizmos perhaps a liability in the long term.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:27 AM   #5
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Howdy!

Been researching a new TV for my Sport 22FB.

Found all the specs and reviews but can't find long term quality and issues with each.

I've been spoiled with a series of Toyotas having over 20 years of literally 100% perfect performance, not one issue, not one minute in a shop, starts every time! Resale value on each excellent.

Research is pointing towards the F150 but are they getting 200K trouble free miles? Dodge 1500 intrigues me too but again long term quality.

Opinions welcome but looking for a good site that has say the downside of each and what I can expect after the factory warranty expires.

Being Toyota guy the Tundra makes sense but MPG and styling severely lacking. But at least its an old fashioned truck with put too much computer controlled engine performance; it should out last most of the competition but that just means I'll spend $1000's on fuel and have a 1995 looking interior unless I spend $60K....

Oh yea! Trying to keep it ~$45K if you want to chime in model wise...

Thanks,

Rounder44
I have owned 4 TV's over the years towing 4 different AS's. I loved the Tahoe for maneuverability and comfort, but mileage, power towing, handling a 25' AS, and most of all, payload capacity for the things I carry (generator, firewood, fuel).

I owned my F150 Echoboost 4x4 crew cab 5 years; 130K miles; no mechanical issues and NO interior issues; everything held up fine with dog and kids. The only issue was my payload was limited...I didn't check prior to purchase,. There are several models including Toyota of course, that will handle your Sport. I can say you will appreciate a pickup for the utility of having a bed in back, if your interested in carrying fuel, generator, firewood, etc...just make sure the payload is above 1400lbs. You can find a Lariat fairly well equipped in your price range. If you decide to get an F150, make sure you get the tow package and long range tank- 36ga, and you should be fine.
I suggest you test drive RAM, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy; I do that every time I am looking...only way to find what you feel comfortable with...and learn differences.

Your Sport should be no problem. with most pickups..trouble is, many of us AS'ers move up in size/model at some point..so you may want to consider/anticipate if your going to stay with that size AS or be...."movin on up".
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:27 AM   #6
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Being Toyota guy the Tundra makes sense but MPG and styling severely lacking. But at least its an old fashioned truck with put too much computer controlled engine performance; it should out last most of the competition but that just means I'll spend $1000's on fuel and have a 1995 looking interior unless I spend $60K....
My 2015 Tundra is insulted that you said it has a 1995 interior!
I get 11.5 towing the 26U. Yes, the gas economy is not the best, but I'd rather spend extra at the gas station than for a tow truck in New Mexico.

I looked at a web site called "Fuelly".
I assume it's not towing mileage.
Ford F-150 = 16
Ford F-250 = 14
Dodge Ram 1500 = 16
Chevy Silverado 1500 = 16
Toyota Tundra = 15
These figures come from thousands of owners.
I'm skeptical of anecdotal evidence you'll get here. "My F-350 diesel gets 30 mpg towing my 30' Classic!"
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My 2015 Tundra is insulted that you said it has a 1995 interior!
I get 11.5 towing the 26U. Yes, the gas economy is not the best, but I'd rather spend extra at the gas station than for a tow truck in New Mexico.

I looked at a web site called "Fuelly".
I assume it's not towing mileage.
Ford F-150 = 16
Ford F-250 = 14
Dodge Ram 1500 = 16
Chevy Silverado 1500 = 16
Toyota Tundra = 15
These figures come from thousands of owners.
I'm skeptical of anecdotal evidence you'll get here. "My F-350 diesel gets 30 mpg towing my 30' Classic!"
Haha!

Ok!

2001 Interior ;D

I'm not so concerned with MPG per se as it'll even out when maintenance and longevity factored in.

I struck a good deal with a dealer in PHX but it's the 1995 styled bench seat, column shifter... seems those most common. But it's a TRD Off Road so a solid truck albeit more work oriented it seems..

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Old 03-17-2019, 01:21 PM   #8
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I have this tow combo. 2018 F150 ecoboost supercrew, 6.5 ‘ bed 4x4. The payload sticker with max tow and xlt package is 1759@ lbs. It tows the 22 sport really well. When I weighed it without water and minimal gear the F150 was weighted almost 50/50 front and rear. In fact the tongue weight was low so I envision water and Gear making it just right in the sweet spot.
If you want more capacity find one with max tow and heavy duty payload package. Check the yellow door sticker for weight capacity.
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Old 03-17-2019, 02:36 PM   #9
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Take a look at a 2017 and newer Nissan Titan V8 Gas model with the factory tow package. Well equipped and under 45K new. Major plus is a 6 year/100k mile bumper to bumper (not just powertrain) factory warranty. No other company even comes close. Try one. They drive very good and have plenty of power and decent payload/towing ratings.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:53 PM   #10
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For a 22’ it really doesn’t matter what you tow it with. Get another Toyota if that works for you.
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Old 03-18-2019, 10:16 AM   #11
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I had a 2015 4Runner when I got my Sport 22. It towed ok but worked very hard on the grades. I liked the 4Runner well enough, but it did have a history of nagging issues that the dealer was unable to resolve. I replaced it with an F150 3.5 Max Tow and seriously could not be happier. It is my favorite vehicle *ever*. That includes 5 Toyota trucks, Corolla, FJ Cruiser, and the 4Runner. Zero issues with the Ford in 17K miles and tows *much* better.

Pro-tip - Get the Max Tow for when you upgrade. (Picked up a 2019 GT 27 FB last week)
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:20 AM   #12
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rounder44,

FYI, I pull a 2018 Flying Cloud 30' with my 2018 Tundra SR5, DC, 5.7 liter with tow package. The 38 gal. fuel tank is a plus. No lack of power. Like you, I have had several Toyota vehicles over the years. In my mind, the quality, reliability & resale value always brings me back to the Toyota brand. Good luck with your TV choice.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:27 AM   #13
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You know all trucks are built to much higher standards now that in the past because of competition, so any one you pick will be perfectly fine for you 22ft.
However please take time to consider the NISSAN TITAN XD 5.O CUMMINS DIESEL.
Also available in GAS VERSION.
5 year/ 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. No one else seems willing to back their truck as long.

All American made.
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2080 payload
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What I like the most is the Zero Gravity seats. I can drive all day without fatigue.

Library quite.
I drive the XD Gas version with the 7 speed transmission. More than adequate for my 23ft. Safari.

Built with commercial grade components, fit and finish is outstanding.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:38 AM   #14
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The times they are a changing. When I was a kid in the 50's and 60's my grandparents bought a new car every 2-4 years, because at 50-60k miles the repair bills would be substantial. Since the 80's vehicles have regularly run 200k+ miles reliably and with minimum repairs. So owning a vehicle for 15+ years was an easy decision.

However the game is different now. With the addition over the last 10 years of increasingly effective electronics we're back to a time where you should be getting a new vehicle every 3-4 years. Electronic stability control, on board cameras, back up camera, auto park, lane change monitoring, and many others make todays vehicle much safer to drive than vehicles from 10 years ago. Not to mention safer construction, better gas mileage for today's vehicle over an 8-10 year old vehicle. The technology transformation of our vehicles is just beginning with much more safety and efficiency coming every year.

Buy the best you can afford now, new or slightly used, and plan on replacing it in 3 or 4 years. You won't believe how much will change for the better. It'll include a couple of new "must haves" that'll make travelling easier and safer.

Just my two cents. Enjoy
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