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Old 01-15-2010, 08:58 AM   #29
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Obtaining a concealed handgun license has contributed significantly to my personal "stress reduction program"..........other contributors:

1) retiring as soon as possible,
2) becoming a full-time RVer,
3) leaving town, and, oh yeah, the most important one,
4) getting my wife her own RV (which tows mine)!!

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Old 01-15-2010, 09:22 AM   #30
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Old 01-16-2010, 08:42 PM   #31
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:46 PM   #32
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gaylejoe, what happened to you and your wife is horrible, but I'm glad that you were able to tell the tale. I don't know if you ever had to use your weapon, when you were a peace officer, but as a soldier I've had to use mine in combat...a different scenario I know, but lives were taken nonetheless, and it still haunts me to this day.

That said, I own a Sig Sauer 2340 and a Rossi .44 and either accompanies my family, when we are on the road. I might have to live with the fact that I've taken a life, if we are ever in danger, but it's better than being a victim. Always remember that criminals don't have consciences.

You were lucky this time that it was a couple of punk kids who's parents failed them miserably. I don't blame you one bit for picking up your sidearm again.
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Old 01-17-2010, 06:01 AM   #33
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Law Enforcement is for the most part "REACTIVE" that the key people need to remember.

We are all responsible for our own personal safety...The Police usually come in after the fact and mop up...

Everyone has to make their own decision and decide BEFORE the incident what they are willing to do in a violent situation.

What is their training and experience and their level of proficiency.

It's all too personal to advise someone else as to what to do.
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Old 01-17-2010, 06:21 AM   #34
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To spray or not to spray....

Originally Posted by SilverRanger View Post
If it is pepper spray we're talking about, if possible, get a reputable name brand, and preferably the police/security grade with at least 5% oleoresin capsicum(OC). Don't buy it at a hardware store (like my colleague), or a department store.

I've been sprayed with all types and percentages, and from experience can say the 10% doesn't hurt much worse than the 5%, but it lasts longer. I prefer the aerosol type, but one must be mindful of the surroundings, and the wind direction.

Stay upwind.
I have been sprayed many times too. Everytime I spray someone I am taken back by the level of tolerance different people have to spray.
I tell my friends and family it's a "false sense of security" to think someone is going to just "drop" to the ground incapacitated.

When we are sprayed in the academy, we are given a rubber knife and told to get the instructor...some people get the instructor & some do not... its not a sure thing...It is better than nothing but there are so many variables as mentioned above.

Just my two (2) cents from a gal that uses this stuff.
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:01 AM   #35
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To me, it is a personal choice that one has to make for themselves.

I would rather have and not need, than want and not have.

Alot can happen in the time it takes for LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) to arrive
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:50 PM   #36
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Unintended Consequences

After 32 years in the criminal justice system (now retired), I reviewed my share of police reports of innocent bystanders hit by stray bullets (sometimes fired by a perpetrator, sometimes from law enforcement during a gun battle). I came across more reports of cool-headed disarming of suspects (if the opportunity presented itself) than a successful "draw-down", especially when the attack came on suddenly. In addition, campgrounds are "target-rich" with thin-skinned shelters easily penetrated by a bullet. To overreact and shoot a stupid teenager is bad enough; to cause injury to another innocent person would be even more regrettable. For anyone considering carrying a firearm, I would first recommend some good unarmed defense training. If you can't master those techniques, you won't be able to respond safely with a firearm either. Just my opinion.
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:48 AM   #37
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Wow. I had missed this thread the first time - what a sobering read.

I have to admit - I don't have a gun, and have never in my life thought about getting one. Probably has alot to do with being Canadian I suppose. But I spend quite a bit of my time camping in the U.S.

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I remember reading on one post that about 85% of Airstreamers carried. To me that was comforting knowing who I could depend on when needed.
Seriously?? I'm astounded by those numbers.

Pepper spray - technically it's illegal in Canada, but only if it's labelled as Pepper spray. If it's labelled as dog or bear deterrent then it's legal to be carried (though you can still get into doo-doo if you use it for evil rather than good).

My husband and sons are purple belts in karate, well on their way to being black belts. The dojo offers Krav Maga classes - I may sign up for some. Don't like the idea of being the helpless female.

Or I may just always have my psycho Australian Shepherd around. I think it would take a tank to get to me through him - he's kinda protective of me.

Anyway - this was a very informative thread. I had no idea that being a tool salesman was such a potentially dangerous job! And I had no idea so many people feared for their safety.

Sobering thoughts this morning.

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Old 01-29-2010, 07:56 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by Macfrodge View Post

Originally Posted by samb
I remember reading on one post that about 85% of Airstreamers carried. To me that was comforting knowing who I could depend on when needed.

Seriously?? I'm astounded by those numbers.

It's a proven fact that 92.75% of all quoted statistics are fictional.

If it's to be, it's up to me.
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:57 AM   #39
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You know, I just read someplace that wasp spray makes a really good substitute for pepper spray, and it sprays a lot further. (I used some once on a wasp nest and was very happy that I could spray from quite a distance.)

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Old 01-29-2010, 08:20 AM   #40
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The best thing you can carry is a cell phone. I have found that this is the greatest safety device made, if used properly. Still, I always have a handgun with me when I travel. It stays out of sight. I've never used it and don't want to.
There are a lot of places that prohibit firearms so I guess I have broken some rules along the way. I know this is a small risk but so is not being with a gun at hand. It's not an easy choice.
My plan is simple:
1: Pay attention to here you are.
2: Avoid trouble if you can.
3: Be calm around hot heads.
4: Leave if things look bad.
5: If the gun comes out, someone is going down.
In thirty years of having a gun nearby, I've never got past step 4. This includes wild bears and young crazies that pointed guns at me. The closest I ever came to shooting someone was when I had some items stolen from me. I saw the thief and chased him off. I was so mad I would have shot him if the gun was in my hand. Later, I had time to think. There is no good in taking a life for $100.00 worth of stuff. A gun is to protect your life. I can not justify killing to protect a few dollars worth of my possesions. It was a lesson I was lucky to learn cheaply.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:38 AM   #41
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I'm a lifelong hunter so I'll always have a shooting iron or two in the Airstream. My wife has leaned on me about doing some cowboy action shooting... since I have all of the rigging. In fact, part of the design of the Overlander is going to be place where I can stow my firearms unobtrusively. This isn't about circling the wagons and having a shoot-out with the bad guys. Firearms are just part of my recreational lifestyle.

Personally, I would rather avoid trouble to the extent possible. Shooting someone, even in the leg, involves paperwork, bureaucracy and all sorts of questions... it's almost as bad as going to the Department of Motor Vehicles. The older I've gotten, the fewer things I think are really worth pointing a loaded gun at another human being.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:43 AM   #42
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There have been some great responces to this thread. I agree with most of them. Having had open heart surgery the physical part of self defense is out for me. I have learned over the years that when something is going to happen there will be little or no warning at all. Nothing is going to help the situation. I also believe that most people have cool heads and especially those trained in law enforcement.

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