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Old 09-30-2015, 11:07 AM   #15
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When someone comes out with a fully electric vehicle that is reasonably priced, can carry extra camp equipment in the back, safely tow 6000 pounds, get an honest 500 miles between charges and can be quickly recharged at a campground power post I will consider it as a possible option. Until then they are nothing but expensive feel good toys.
You've never, ever compromised your lofty standards to do the right thing? Glad I don't live in your world.

With the Tesla P90D, people who want a supercar don't have to compromise. Tesla is headed that direction. But towing requires OODLES of watts, and the batteries just aren't there. Why bash Tesla for that?
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:16 AM   #16
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It is very short sighted that we evaluate individual products by their point of use carbon footprint, ie: mph. It would take a Doctoral level thesis or higher to give a truly accurate evaluation. That would have to consider, the energy used in the preparation of all the materials in the manufacture. the energy used to produce it, the annotation of those costs over the useful life of the product, the disposal energy, and lastly the energy actually used in the operation of the product. Ignoring the first 4 of them that I have suggested paints a misleading picture. As misleading as thinking the mph of an electric car is zero.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:33 AM   #17
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I like the idea of electric vehicles, but feel they are just not practical yet. I agree with moosetags (Brian) when he says the future of electric vehicles depends on the batteries. They need to be lighter, smaller, hold more charge, put off less heat, last through more charging cycles, charge faster, etc. The technology is progressing, but it is just not there yet. A 250 mile range would probably be more like 75 miles towing an airstream in the hills.
We were at the outlet stores in St. Augustine, Florida a few weeks ago. They have a Tesla charging station there. These are supposed to be the super fast chargers. We saw a few cars charging when we walked by. A while later after going to a few stores we walked back by and both cars were still there. That just will not work if the majority of people drove electric cars. I think electric cars has a bright future, but I think it still has a ways to go before we see wide adoption of it for anything other than a city car.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:52 AM   #18
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When someone comes out with a fully electric vehicle that is reasonably priced, can carry extra camp equipment in the back, safely tow 6000 pounds, get an honest 500 miles between charges and can be quickly recharged at a campground power post I will consider it as a possible option. Until then they are nothing but expensive feel good toys.
Rome was not built in a day. Development takes iteration. Iteration takes time. To bring anything like this to the market is amazing. Tesla are creating a high end market today so the rest of us can benefit tomorrow.

The perfect vehicle will not just appear out of the blue, It's like saying in the 1980's "Until someone builds a computer with 1TB of storage I am not interested".
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:54 AM   #19
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You've never, ever compromised your lofty standards to do the right thing? Glad I don't live in your world.

With the Tesla P90D, people who want a supercar don't have to compromise. Tesla is headed that direction. But towing requires OODLES of watts, and the batteries just aren't there. Why bash Tesla for that?
I'm with Chief on this one.
I love the Prius. It is a great car, but...
Financially it is better to buy a Corolla for less money and use a little more fuel. You would have to own a Prius 10 years or more to justify the cost in "fuel savings" or mpg. The gas/diesel comparison is similar. A gas pickup costs less, uses less expensive fuel (in Mississippi anyway), has less expensive oil changes and no DEF. Buying any new car saying "it gets better gas mileage" is not financially wise. How much gas can I put in a 1973 Oldsmobile V8 before it reaches the price of a new car? Keeping our old cars is environmentally friendly- less in the landfills and junkyards and less natural resources taken from the planet to build new ones. You can stand on wither side of that fence and get the same results.
I love the idea of "going green", but I am not willing to (can't afford to) pay more to do it.
It is great for people who have the financial means to buy a Prius (or Tesla) to make a statement about being friendly too the planet. I don't have the funds to be a tree hugger.
Don't get me wrong. I do what I can in the way of recycling and what have you.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:56 AM   #20
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We were at the outlet stores in St. Augustine, Florida a few weeks ago. They have a Tesla charging station there. These are supposed to be the super fast chargers. We saw a few cars charging when we walked by. A while later after going to a few stores we walked back by and both cars were still there. That just will not work if the majority of people drove electric cars.
They probably ARE super-fast chargers. But that doesn't mean the drivers are considerate enough to leave the store to go back outside and unplug and move the car when the charging is complete. Just as easy for them to leave the car plugged in until they're done shopping regardless of how little time it takes to charge the cars.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:59 AM   #21
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I'd like to see a hydrogen powered vehicle - either direct burning or a fuel cell electric powered version. No short supply - separate water into H and O , exhaust is H2O.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:59 AM   #22
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Agree with AWCHIEF - when they come up with a TV that will be there for me when I'm climbing Raton pass on I-25 with my Airstream on the hitch I'll start to think about an electric vehicle. Can't be out of electricity climbing up a pass or run out of umph just as I see the top of the pass ....
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Not too often you see a tow vehicle that costs more than a brand new Airstream!

I bet CanAm can set that thing up to tow my Classic!
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:02 PM   #24
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Agree with AWCHIEF - when they come up with a TV that will be there for me when I'm climbing Raton pass on I-25 with my Airstream on the hitch I'll start to think about an electric vehicle. Can't be out of electricity climbing up a pass or run out of umph just as I see the top of the pass ....
Yeah, but it will recharge on the way back down!
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For those that can't afford a $130k to $150k electric car.

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Old 09-30-2015, 12:13 PM   #26
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You've never, ever compromised your lofty standards to do the right thing? Glad I don't live in your world.

Lofty standards? Actually I have fairly low standards as far as expecting personal opinions to be excepted here without being insulted or having them dismised out of hand.
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