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Old 09-21-2003, 04:49 PM   #15
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Cool Thanks for all the great replies!

Haven't done the math yet (so the Tundra may be happily towing the CCD for years to come), but the F250 with the 6.0L was bubbling to the top. One of our local Ford dealers sent me an e-mail quote that was low enough to more then erase the diesel premium and even had all my towing options and color included. Then I found some reports (from Forbes mag) of major quality issues on the 2003 6.0L Power Stroke.... Ford is buying back trucks. That GMC with Allison transmission is looking good too. No Dodge people out there? It seems like the Dodge RAM (per the build your vehilce web sites) is the only one I can get a 4.10 final drive as an option with a diesel. Is that true? What is the advantage/disadvantage to higher numerical final drive? More power, lower MPG?

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i believe that there is a 4.10 option in the ford also. Mine came with the 3.73 limited slip 2wd. Currently diesel is running $1.38 a gallon and regular unleaded is $1.55, yep big difference when it comes time to fill up. I don't know what its running in your neighborhood and prices change almost daily.
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Old 09-21-2003, 06:44 PM   #17
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Drive a Duramax/Allison and you won't care what the rear end ratio is.
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Old 09-21-2003, 07:18 PM   #18
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Here is a picture of the new truck.
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Old 09-21-2003, 07:22 PM   #19
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Another at the campground, hooked to the A/S. That's Lake Erie in the background. Beach was only about 300' from our campsite.
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Dodge owner here,
Being a Diesel nut I have a biased opion.
Cummins is of the oldest design in the light duty Truck market, the new Cummings if of the same basic design except for a change in the fuel injection ( common rail ). I own a 99 3500 Quad Dually 4x4 with AT and a 354 rear end. This is a heavy Vehicle with a curb weight around 8,800 pounds, ad a slide out for the bed, a cab and Tools and I'm sure she comes in around 10,000 pounds. the Truck now has over 100,000 and Fuel milage is around 16 to18 without towing, ad a 31 ' and I'm in the neighberhood of 14 mpg. I have to add that I have a heavy foot so there are some out there that are getting better mpg's. The weakest link in the Dodge is the AT. I have only had minor problems with mine but i know of some who have gone for replacements . The biggest problem seems to be the Tourque Converter. Cummins detuned the engine because this motor can put out serious Tq and Hp numbers with only minor mods.
Prior to the Dodge I owned a 89 F 350 Crew Cab with the 7.3 Diesel. This was not a Turbo, had a 5 Speed and gave me many Years of reliable service. I had to do the clutch at 130,000 and that was 1,500$. Mpg was around 18 to 20 and i sold this Truck to get the Dodge. The 7.3 is a International motor and the Power Stroke refers to the fuel incection on the Turbo models and i believe that that was after the 94 model year. Ford sold Turbo diesels before the Power Stroke. I know many who own the Ford and are very happy with it. I don't know much about the knew 6.0 but also heard that there is a recall.
Chevy used to have the 6.2 and later the 6.5 Diesels in the 3/4, 1 Ton Trucks and Suburbans. They where Detroit engines and from what I heard, the biggest issue was their injection pumps. I never owned one but know of some who have gotten well over 300 or 400 thousand miles from this motor. The Duramax was a close second to the Dodge in my comparison. The Motor is build by Isuzu who is a large producer of Diesel engines. It is quieter than then Dodge and Ford, has the most power out of the box and a great Transmission.
I think that there are many advantages to a Diesel:
Fuel consumption, cheaper Fuel, longer lasting Engines, high Torque at low rpm's.
This is just my personal opinon, hope it helps
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Silverback, I support everything that Holzarbeiter says. I would add that, for me, one further advantage is the lack of maintenance required on compression ignition engines. I do as much of my own maintenance as possible, and I enjoy not having the problems associated with spark plugs, ignition coils, condensers, points, plug leads getting wet, etc. I also appreciate not having the flammability of gas as another worry. I now run 3 diesels: the turbo charged Cummins in the Dodge, a TDI in a Land Rover Discovery, and a Yanmar 1GM10 in my sailing yacht. I make sure they all get clean oil, clean fuel and clean air, and they go on for years without a problem. Diesel powered concrete mixers sit out all year in rain, ice and dirt, and start on the swing of a handle. Gas ignition systems have become much more reliable over the past years, but I still don't intend to own another gas engine. Nick.
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Heh, heh, I used to have one of those 6.2 L Chevy diesels. I think it was rated 130 HP at 240 Ft. Lbs torque. What a dog, but it got 23 MPG.

I'll never forget the time we drove it to Williamsburg, VA. On some of the hills, on the WVA turnpike, we topped the hills at 30 mph. How embarassing.
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Well I still have a '94 Chevy 6.5, but it is a turbo diesel at an alleged 185 hp. It has given me very good service, but you are not likely to be overwhelmed with the power.

To avoid confusion, the Ford diesel was described above as an "International". While true, International now calls itself "Navistar", and you are more likely to hear it refered to as such.

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Ok I find this funny. Cummins is owned by Ford yet they sell them to Dodge and use the International. Hmmmm ok what gives. Why would Ford the owner of Cummins be selling to Dodge if they felt it was a better engine. Who knows, does anyone really care. If we have Chevy, Dodge, or Ford and are happy with the performance, reliability, and longetivity not to mention the fuel effency should we switch between brands. I feel that they all have good characteristics and do what we want them to do. I guess the end result is What looks best to you and price.
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Google search: axle ratio towing

A good general statement about tradeoffs of mileage vs. towing can be had on a Dodge website: http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/basics/axle_ratio.html . Some of the other towing topics just above the text section are also interesting.

Several other websites turn up; eg, a couple different Open Roads Forum threads. Many opinions are personal and rather variable (duh! what else is new?).

As soon as you decide axle ratios for towing should be 3.9 or 4.1, along comes the new Nissan Titan that puts a 3.36 in the towing package. What gives? Nissan says 3.36:1 on a five-speed is similar to 4.10:1 on a four-speed. Hmmm. We'll just see how it handles the mountains....
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Cummins is an independent company, whose shares can be bought every day off the Big Board. Ford does not seem to have any significant stock holdings in Cummins.

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Making the switch

Well after a solid week and a 1/2 of research, comparison, test drives (multiple drives for the F250 and Silverado 2500) and negotiations with the competing dealers, I 've put money down on an 04 Silverado 2500 HD 4X4 with a Duramax diesel and the Allison transmission. It's being ordered to my Specifications (should take 6 weeks). The Ram was the most fun to drive. Steering like my Jetta. Also the only one available with a 4.10 final drive. It just didn't seem as well put together. The Sierra was the classiest (but felt pooped compared to the Silverado?). I loved the FX4 package on the F250 and I preferred Ford's extending tow mirrors, but it had noticeable turbo lag when I stepped on it. Also Ford had no, incentives, rebates or 0% financing available. The Chevy came out the best on my spread sheet and seat of the pants driving. I'm sure there are many out there who have different opinions and I again appreciate everyones feedback. One last note, every time I got back in the Tundra after a test drive I appreciated it more. It's an awesome truck, but it's not a diesel.
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True about fords turbo lag, I have noticed it in mine as well. I plan on putting the banks monster 4" exhaust system on and have been told this helps decrease the turbo lag and get both better fuel mileage and more horsepower.

Does anyone already have the Banks on theirs that can ring in?
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