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Old 08-11-2007, 08:56 PM   #15
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Sorry about the aside. I was just shocked at how fast that happened. I dont think he was going all that fast either. Correct me if I am wrong, but I didnt see a lot in the way of whip-sawing prior to the flip, however, it did appear to me that the back end of the camper pulled counter clockwise into the flip. Is that what happened? How would that happen?
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:24 PM   #16
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Based on the speed of the patrol car (66 MPH) and the fact that he was getting closer to the trailer in every frame, I would put the speed of the trailer around 50 - 55 MPH. The conditions are very windy and the trailer seems to be very light. It also looks like the trailer has no suspension. It looks like a straight axel and that is all.

The way I see it, the wind pushes the trailer to the right with alot of force. This lifts the left trailer off the ground slightly and the trailer then makes a hard turn to the right. As it is turning the left tire keeps going up until the front of the frame on the right side starts to dig into the road. At this point this rig is going over.

As the trailer continues to roll the rear of the TV is lifted off of the ground and the TV is spun around 90 degrees. At that point the driver locks the brakes, but only the front right wheel is still on the ground. As the TV goes sideways it comes off the hitch and the TV continues to roll.

The weight of the trailer and TV were no match for the wind.
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:33 PM   #17
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My memory is not what it was, but I think I remember the locale being the Denver area.
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:50 PM   #18
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Old 08-11-2007, 10:02 PM   #19
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Richard has seen what I also see in the video. The trailer exhibits almost no sway before the left side is lifted by, presumably, the wind. Although the video is not very clear, it looks to me like the left side of the trailer is lifted entirely off the ground just before it makes its counter-clockwise turn. If the trailer is longer than the towing vehicle, then it is only slightly longer.

Assuming these observations are correct, the nominally short wheelbase of the towing vehicle surely did not cause or contribute to the crash. A longer vehicle might not have been flipped by the trailer, but it looks like the trailer would have gone over no matter what it was being towed by.

No one has mentioned that the film clip is from 1991. That suggests such accidents do not occur often, for which we can all be thankful.
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:21 AM   #21
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My memory is not what it was, but I think I remember the locale being the Denver area.
Denver England or Denver Ireland??
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Denver England or Denver Ireland??
Uh, Colorado. I'm pretty sure it isn't in England with those mountains in the background, although the road sign near the flipped over SUV looks more European than I remember having seen in the US.
Also, just because John Bunnell said it happened in Denver, doesn't mean that's where it really happened. And that's if I remember the clip right on tv.
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Uh, Colorado. I'm pretty sure it isn't in England with those mountains in the background, although the road sign near the flipped over SUV looks more European than I remember having seen in the US.
Also, just because John Bunnell said it happened in Denver, doesn't mean that's where it really happened. And that's if I remember the clip right on tv.
The police officer runs from the right side of his car, but the speed is in MPH?

Did anyone else see the puff of smoke from the grassy knoll?
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i'll just add.....
notice how strong the wind is blowing the smoke and debris?
i'd guess the officer coming out into camera view was riding shotgun.
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I believe this was shot somewhere where the cars are right-hand drive, and the cars drive on the left side of the road. The officer would have come out of the drivers' seat.

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Hi Folks,
I know this video. It's a UK police video taken on the M56 between Runcorn and Ellesmere Port. The road follows the north Cheshire coastline and the wind blows a gale off the Dee estuary south of Liverpool. I used to visit around there quite regularly some (cough) years ago. I've personally seen 2 matchstick piles - the debris left when a UK caravan crashes - on that road. The wind could be very dangerous! In a car you needed to steer 5 degrees to the right to stop yourself from ending up on the hard shoulder/left-hand stop lane!
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