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Old 01-04-2015, 09:01 AM   #57
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It is interesting to me that many seem to be intimidated by roads with steep drop-offs on the side. I guess I became immune to that with my dad when I was young. The simple solution is "Don't drive off the road". If the road was flat or in a valley, with no drop offs we wouldn't think twice about it or worry that we were going to drive off the road. Since we don't normally drive off those road, why should we assume we are going to drive off the steep slopes on the side of some roads? No reason whatsoever. I'm sure you would agree if you stop and think about it.
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Yes it seems easy to keep it on the road until that "out-of-state tourist" comes around the curve, crossing over the double yellow line, crowding you to the 6" shoulder with the 1000' drop off. It's the other guy on the road with you that makes it scarier!
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:24 AM   #58
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Yes it seems easy to keep it on the road until that "out-of-state tourist" comes around the curve, crossing over the double yellow line, crowding you to the 6" shoulder with the 1000' drop off. It's the other guy on the road with you that makes it scarier!
There is no way I can argue with that. Also, I do believe from my limited experience that this happens significantly more often in your neck of the woods, in spite of the lower population density.

The San Juan mountains might be the safest in the US if no one but natives drove there.

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Ken, the snake is in the mail.

Elephant Hill in Canyonlands NP is a challenge—you have to back up on one part because the switchbacks are too tight to turn on—but not particularly scary. And Bobby's Hole, when we drove it, took a very long time because we had to rebuild the road every few feet. Not scary, but very tedious and slow. Some 4wd roads seem eligible because they can be very scary. Not just drop offs, but also getting stranded on top of boulders, in the mud or sand, sliding into embankments or worse, trapped in small spaces, etc. The Flint Trail in the Maze District of Canyonlands has it all. I was bouncing people off the roof in my SUV on that one—had to drive fast uphill to make it over the rocks, through the sand and to keep from going over the edge or into the embankment.

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Gene, you're delving into uncharted territory for Airstreams, at least for a round trip. I don't think we can include the 4wd trails as scary roads because they really aren't roads. The Squeeze on the Elephant Hill trail would be interesting. Notice the scratches on the walls from mirrors and roof racks as vehicles need to run their passenger side tires up the side wall to squeeze thru...
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Gene, you're delving into uncharted territory for Airstreams, at least for a round trip. I don't think we can include the 4wd trails as scary roads because they really aren't roads. The Squeeze on the Elephant Hill trail would be interesting. Notice the scratches on the walls from mirrors and roof racks as vehicles need to run their passenger side tires up the side wall to squeeze thru...
There's something I wouldn't try unless I was riding a bike or really beater 4 wheeled vehicle.

Do they ever do timed speed runs through there?

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Miss Thing , our GPS navigator thing in the truck was throwing a fit last May when we refused to tow the Airstream up the Teluride side of the Black Bear Road to get to Ouray . We have been across it before in a 1964 F 100 long wheel base pickup before though. Quite interesting to say the least :-)
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Ag&Au, unfortunately some of us suffer from vertigo when looking over thousand-foot drop-offs-- let alone if there's snow on the road, it's narrow with oncoming traffic, or the road surface is in poor shape. Then it's not just scenery anymore.

Scariness is in the mind of the beholder. But it's not all bad. Some people should be more scared than they are. In the Moab area, SUV drivers who are inexperienced, drunk, drugged or all three take more chances than they should. A friend who works at the Moab hospital just dreads the annual Easter jeep safari weekend because of the casualties.

Astronaut Chris Hadfield had a wonderful saying, that astronauts are trained to distinguish between a fear and a danger.
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Ag&Au, unfortunately some of us suffer from vertigo when looking over thousand-foot drop-offs-- let alone if there's snow on the road, it's narrow with oncoming traffic, or the road surface is in poor shape. Then it's not just scenery anymore.

Scariness is in the mind of the beholder. But it's not all bad. Some people should be more scared than they are. In the Moab area, SUV drivers who are inexperienced, drunk, drugged or all three take more chances than they should. A friend who works at the Moab hospital just dreads the annual Easter jeep safari weekend because of the casualties.

Astronaut Chris Hadfield had a wonderful saying, that astronauts are trained to distinguish between a fear and a danger.
There's something you should know about me to understand where I'm coming from.

7 years ago, I spent 6 months being treated for an allergy to something, but no allergist could figure out what it was. It started out as hives and then over time transitioned to angioedema.

One evening after puffing up and having difficulty breathing, I went to the ER for the third or fourth time in a coupe weeks. They could not get the reaction under control, so they admitted me to the hospital. I noticed during the night that every time they gave me prednisone, which was supposed to help, it made things worse. At 3 AM I told them that I was not going to allow them to give me any more prednisone until I talked to an MD. They rousted my poor family doctor out of bed. He came in, saw how agitated I was, and told the nurse to give me some Ativan (an antianxiety drug) in my IV. Within a few minutes I was markedly improving.

He said, "I wonder how much of this is anxiety."

Even after this it still took the allergists a while to give up, and decide it might be something psychological triggering my allergic reaction. Well, that turned out to be the case. My body reacts to anxiety, as though I am allergic to it. I puff up and if carried to extreme, my throat swells and I have trouble breathing.

After trying a few different counselors with no results, I finally ended up in an outpatient therapy group, and one of the counselors there was just what I need. He helped me find the mental tools to control my anxiety, by identifying the cause and then deciding if it was real or not. The solutions were simple, if it is a real concern, avoid it, if not a real concern, relax and ignore it. For me, it worked.

As I result, I have to a degree developed the ability to ignore things that would have scared me before, by logical analysis.

So believe me I can understand how people can be afraid of things I'm not, and also I have to do my best to convince myself some things I perhaps should fear to some degree are not a problem.

However I am still subject to anxiety from imaginary things it takes a while to identify at times.

My analysis (not any doctor's) is that all the prednisone I was getting during the allergy treatments exacerbated this problem and since I subsequently avoid it or any other drug apt to worsen anxiety, my reactions to anxiety have greatly diminished.

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George Carlin had a comment that is relevant to this thread, and this discussion:

"I don’t have a fear of heights. I do, however, have a fear of falling from heights."
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George Carlin had a comment that is relevant to this thread, and this discussion:

"I donít have a fear of heights. I do, however, have a fear of falling from heights."
It's weird that it takes a comedian to get the real heart of a problem.

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Not really about anxiety, but worrying. Kind of a similar affliction we all suffer from at times.

I had a friend that always said...Worrying is like using a rocking chair. It's something to do but it does not get you anywhere.
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Not really about anxiety, but worrying. Kind of a similar affliction we all suffer from at times.

I had a friend that always said...Worrying is like using a rocking chair. It's something to do but it does not get you anywhere.
Check this link.

Excessive worry - 12 Signs You May Have an Anxiety Disorder - Health.com

It talks about worrying and anxiety
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Just came across this topic.

Are we talking about scary roads without pulling a trailer

Or
Are we talking about scary roads pulling a trailer?

Or
Are talking about normally not scary roads that turn into scary roads because of weather, repairs, whatnot --- pulling a trailer or not.

Or
Are we talking about dumb brother-in-law who knows a short cut.... hint it involves levee roads, a ferry crossing and 6 units all pulling big trailers... adn Louisianna mud.

The other scary road due to weather is the trip we took to Lancaster PA to pickup our AS in January 2007... remember that was the year of hte big ice storms.
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Jim... all of the above.

I can take you places that are a non event in your tow vehicle.

Attach your 31 foot Airstream and you will be crying for your mother to get you out of this mess!

My example of Independence Pass east of Aspen, Colorado can create some anxiety just in a wide pickup truck. I found towing a 23 foot Airstream by pure accident not having a way to exit or turn around... SCARY enough. A 31 foot... I would be crying mama... all the way to the Pass!

So it is all relative. What kind of terrifying tow vehicle route do you want to try? Or, I could find an unlimited number of back roads that look great on a map for towing your Airstream... and would make a great 30 minute action thriller for television.

Pick your poison and we in the Rockies will provide it to... YOU.
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