View Poll Results: Would you use a pay by the hour RV parking service with electricity?
Yes, I would use such a service 18 18.37%
I think boondocking is a right and I will never pay to park overnight 7 7.14%
I would try this service if it is not expensive 43 43.88%
Yes, would use this service if less than overnight fee at a local campground 30 30.61%
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:24 PM   #57
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A charge by the hour would be the fairest, some would come in by 6pm and others by 8pm, some would want to leave by 6am others by 8am. I guess a minimum could be charged with a max at $1 an hour. The problem with Walmarting is questionable safety in some areas and no electricity. That means no AC in summer and battery for the furnace in the winter, same for rest areas and truck stops. This could be an idea if the provider could actually have a business plan that would make it worth his/her while and still low enough to stay fairly full.
sounds pricy, $24. for 24 hours.
I think 1st hour free
3 hours for $2.
5 hours for $3.
7 hours for $5.
or something along this line....
just like a meter, the longer you stay the better the deal
would there be some sort of security?
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:12 PM   #58
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I just quick scanned this entire thread and not once did I see any mention of the W.B.C.C.I.'s courtesy parking. This is one of the best benefits of the club. I have had the opportunity of using it once and it was great. We offer it and for four years have not had anyone stop. We can park two 34'ers and not cross the sidewalk. We can offer water, electric and sewer if needed. I do not understand why more people do not use this benefit.

Hi, because there are people like me who don't want to belong to that, or any other club.
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sounds pricy, $24. for 24 hours.
I think 1st hour free
Not free, or else people will hook up for 59 minutes, unplug, then hook up again for another 59 minutes; the service pedestal doesn't know who is hooked up and has no way to recognize if the same person is hooking up again, because electrons are stupid. Instead, pay more for the first hour, because that's where the provider recovers his fixed costs. Like this…

A 30amp connection will draw a maximum of 3.6kW of power per hour of use. For the sake of this example I'll limit the discussion to 30amp service, but 50amp and/or 20amp would be proportional.

Average electrical cost in the US right now is 10.71 per kwH, so a 30amp 120vAC connection would have an electricity cost— to the provider— of just under 40 per hour.

I would provide metered service, but include a connection fee. Say $1.00 to connect, and 10 per hour to stay hooked up, up to a maximum of 24 hours. Then a timer would shut off the power and you'd have to swipe your card again to start over. This timer reset is meant to help discourage long-term tenancy by a single user.

Based on current pricing, the connection charge would be $3.30 for 24 hours, plus actual electricity usage, which for a 30amp connection at current national average pricing would be $9.25 in 24 hours if you drew the full 30 amps all the time. Thus the total for 24 hours of service would be $12.55 or less. If you only stayed one hour, you'd pay about $1.40.

That sort of pricing seems most fair to both consumer and provider.
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The math checks out but represents nothing. The likely hood of anyone using 30 amps service for a full 24 hours is not even possible in south Fl. in the height of summer.

Another factor that may play here is this type of service is it may be priced as a Lost Leader. I know when I stay at a Wal Mart and often at a Cracker Barrel I often spend as much if not more than the price of a campsite. If a truck stop can get me in there for $10.00 or $15.00 they stand a great chance of me spending money there that I would have spent somewhere else.

Traffic is the game when looking to improve profit.

And yes I can afford an Airstream because I never buy any capital asset new. But when I do buy I pay cash rather than finance a depreciating asset for 60 months. Saves a lot of money and really sets the salesman back a notch or 2 having counted on that commission on the financing charges.
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Explain to me why no one would use thirty amp service for twenty four hours in Fl. As a resident this confuses me.
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While voltage is a constant, current or amperage is a function of usage. Lets assume the AC ran the full 24 hours at 13 amps, highly unlikely and the frig ran the full 24 hours at about 3 amps you have a lot to go to get to 30 amps.
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I misinterpreted your comments. Sorry. Jim
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:05 PM   #64
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A few thoughts on casual overnight camping

I am retired from forty-two years of law enforcement, thirty-four of them as a sworn officer. This gives me a particular perspective on violence. I have been RVing since 1968 and for the past ten years have been full timing. This gives me a particular perspective on RVing.

I have never met anyone with first hand experience of being the victim of RV related violence, nor have I ever met anyone who knows anyone who was the victim of RV violence. I conclude that the terror some folks hold for becoming the victim of RV violence is largely over-rated.

When travelling from A to B I have often overnighted at truck stops and Walmarts. A few precautions seem reasonable. Park only at 24 hour operations with traffic turnover. Park in a well lighted area and if possible within the view CCTV cameras. If you feel really uneasy don't park.

If someone does attempt to molest you use your cell phone to call 911 and use your remote key tab to blow the horn on your tow vehicle. Don't open the door, and wait for help which will be there shortly.

I would not recommend as an alternative going out with your 12-bore and start blasting away unless you have the time, money and inclination to become the next Zimmerman.

If you don't want "nasty notes" don't park with your gen end next to the bunk end of somebody's RV and then run the gen all night. But then again, no one would do that because it show a lack of common consideration.

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Requesting comments to overnight parking while in transit concept

I see location as being key. Most of us travel outbound on a few of the same routes. Thus, knowing in advance a favored spot for a ten hour break makes for easier trip planning.

Second (and in conjunction with above) relatively close access to services is important (to me). I don't wish to start and stop during the day for re-supply, etc. This would be ideal if only a short drive or bike ride away.

Third, being near a large national chain truck stop which also caters to car & RV travelers would be best of all. Besides obvious amenities, I would also value being able -- with an RV experiencing problems -- to already be on the mental map of mobile RV techs, and with some corporate stops, being able to service TT and TV (as some only have tire service, but others do big truck repairs).

I've had the experience of not being in the category of big truck driver, or car traveler and needing service. That would be an RV. And found that with mobile service tech on his way and an accommodating truck repair service manager, that work was set to be done far more efficiently.

Whether work was done here in the hour park or at the truck stop proper the combination would to me be unbeatable. Some repairs may take a few days. Etc.

So, the luxury of electric service near a truck stop that accommodates RV fueling and a dump station, has a big C-store and fast food joint (and that may have repair services) and/or is not far from a WalMart, but has the luxury of some privacy from all of the above is one powerful attractant to use for me.

A port in a storm in some instances. But most of the time the luxury of quiet electrical use for the ten hour overnight break.
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We've been using our AS a fair bit since 2007-- with trips ranging from short-distance to cross-country.

Are we the only ones who wouldn't stay overnight at a truck stop, Walmart, highway rest area, &c unless we had to? (Like, getting stranded by a blizzard?)

Most of our camping is to national/provincial/state parks within a day's drive of our house. For longer trips requiring one or more overnight stops, we check ahead for nearby public parks, or rural/small town RV parks just because we like the ambience a lot better than a big stretch of asphalt can offer. During the high season, we try to phone ahead to see if a particular RV park listed in the Good Sam guide has space available. Like slowmover, we've made some long trips often enough that we know where we like to stay.

Also, I can see where southern folks who need to run their AC at night to stay comfortable would want an electrical hookup, but without that need, we're pretty much OK with our batteries alone. On long drives, these charge up well.

One free overnight parking option that I don't recall being mentioned was casinos. The ones without their own RV parks seem to be amenable to parking for RVers. If anyone is driving I-90 in western Montana, the 50,000 Silver Dollars casino even has some free sites with electrical hookups. Nearby in Quartz, MT are two US Forest Service campgrounds right off the Interstate.

As has been mentioned, there are many low-cost or no-cost options on public lands in the western states. A Park Service seniors pass makes camping on federal lands a steal. These mostly don't come with electricity and may take people off the Interstate for a bit, but the scenery sure beats the Flying J.

RonH, thanks for being a voice of sanity.
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I think, L&J, that folks who do long hauls on major highways would be primary users of a truck stop set up, such as is being proposed.

We read of people with two or three weeks vacation, heading to a destination hundreds of miles away. Travel time is not camping time. I even get on interstates when I need to.

Many campgrounds are conveniently situated close to interstate highways, for travelers who use them.

I thank you, too, RonH. . Stepping out of one's comfort zone is part of experiencing the beauty and diversity of this country. It can be difficult for some.


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When we do long trips, like our upcoming Yellowstone trip that is over 2,000 miles in one direction, all of the overnight stops enroute are at Flying J's or Walmart. We just drive until we get tired and then just park overnight.

We have to maximize our vacation time. Once we're retired, maybe we can join those who amble slowly from Point A to Point B on secondary roads, enjoying quaint roadside diners. Until then, it's "hurry there, hurry back".
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While voltage is a constant, current or amperage is a function of usage. Lets assume the AC ran the full 24 hours at 13 amps, highly unlikely and the frig ran the full 24 hours at about 3 amps you have a lot to go to get to 30 amps.
New electric vehicles could change usage amounts and time at plug in point.
A new trend for off grid solar will incorporate unused into the grid as a cost effective way to have it. Electric panels being provided by installers and sharing cost with owners, so even with present number crunching things are changing.
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New electric vehicles could change usage amounts and time at plug in point.
A new trend for off grid solar will incorporate unused into the grid as a cost effective way to have it. Electric panels being provided by installers and sharing cost with owners, so even with present number crunching things are changing.
Slightly off topic.

Yes in the future there may be a need for charging stations for electric cars but at this point Tesla has addressed that need and made the technology available free to others. Currently the charging time for an electric car using a charging station for a Tesla is measured in minutes not hours let along overnight and is free. I don't think the commercial developers will go after that segment of the market for a while.

While I think the major oil companies will allow electric stations for RV on their properties I doubt very much they are ready to support electric cars in any way shape or form.
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