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Old 08-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #85
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What is at hand can be a decent weapon as well, so choose some items for dual purpose: ice pick, machete, 4-cell MAGLITE, camp hatchet, etc. Buy of good construction (do a bit of research and know your needs for the tools in question).

I've not ever really worried over the question, but have always assumed that (as above) situational awareness is paramount. So, no parking without a clear shot at "an exit" (as this means different things in different places) avoiding some places to park overnight, etc. For the most part when one is on well-travelled roads this means other travellers will be around. As an on-again / off-again truck driver (the back pocket career) I've parked in some sketchy places. Bear spray, or wasp spray + a flare gun oughta light'em up pretty good. Be resourceful.

And, OP, this thread re-appears every few years. Read around. Plenty of good ideas in those threads as well.

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A big consideration is where do you store it when not on your person ... without proper (and usually lengthy - not the one day variety) training, there is huge liability. Suggest as have others wasp spray, OC-10, or TASER (not the toy ones).
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Check my avatar - 154 & 166 lbs respectively. These "uncut" and exceptionally well trained males spend 24/7 by my side. They love kids and women, and will pose for pictures at every opportunity, but act hinky or threatening and whole 'nother personality will emerge. They are not upset by very loud, unanticipated noises like compressors, vacuums, pistols, or lightning/thunderstorms. One actually approaches loud sound sources rather than shy away. They are very confident fellas!

We have raised and trained giant dogs for 35+ years; these two are #5&6 of the keepers. These guys carry packs and lug water on trips away from humanity or to outdoor concerts. The grey & white one has a nose like a bloodhound and loves to play 'find the person' - a great skill on hikes. My all time favorite was a 205 lb, 41" at the shoulder, behemoth who loved towing stuff and came in handy getting cars out of ditches during snow storms or dragging logs back to camp.

Contrary to retold stories about short lives, all my Germanic Great Danes have lived between 11 and 14 years. You should see them voluntarily get their molars scrapped with dental picks to understand training.

This pair go 'on guard' but remain quiet when anyone approaches the TV or Airtream at night awaiting my 'stand down' or 'speak' command. If we are asleep, one watches the door while the other comes to the bed and wakes me up. The worst case/best reaction scenario I can report was rowdy, drunk bikers choosing to move on when confronted by my buddies near the Sturgis rally years ago. There is something electrifying about raised fur and twin, low rumbling growls emanating from 300+ lbs of canine (not on a leash).

A well trained pet/work dog is probably the best deterrent to trouble on the road. Oh, and I don't recommend getting between me and them and raising your voice too loud :-)
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"Gun logic is out of place in the camping culture."

Trying to pigeonhole all gun owners as using one type of "logic" seems problematic.

I understand the concern about irresponsible gun ownership and/or use....but surely people can concede that not all gun owners will fit the same "mold" that some find problematic.

I am quite sure that MANY friendly campers here in Alabama carry a gun both in their vehicles and/or travel trailers and as long as you never try to bust in on them to rob/murder them....such folks will be in my opinion just as friendly as the next.

It may be worth pointing out that even given the likely fact that many alabama campers are "packin" - that still the camping experience in Alabama seems perfectly safe and pleasant (from the tent camping I have done here both in central alabama, and on the coast).

The idea that simply possessing a gun as a last resort de facto is a "magnet" for trouble is problematic as well...I presume that the root cause of that "trouble" would be the nature of the individual...

My 2 cents....I will not be packin in the trailer because kids will be directly in my crossfire....but if we were solo, just the wife and I, then I would not find carrying to be "looking for trouble" or a "trouble magnet"...it would be a last resort used ONLY in a terrifying scenario where there was almost zero doubt that my life could be in danger. This hypothetical may indeed by extremely extremely rare, but that would be my choice to carry "insurance" for such a hypothetical...

Otherwise, I am actually pretty much a big ol' librul - go figure

But to each his own, but that is my current calculus about that folks....
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This is one of the best articles I have ever read on guns and rvs

Safety & Security: Guns and RVs

That being said I really would like some insight as to wether bear spray works... As per my blog, A 1963 Airstream Overlander named Moonraker: Close encounters I had a recent experience that I never want to experience again! I'm literally afraid to go out my back door .
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This is one of the best articles I have ever read on guns and rvs

Safety & Security: Guns and RVs

That being said I really would like some insight as to wether bear spray works... As per my blog, A 1963 Airstream Overlander named Moonraker: Close encounters I had a recent experience that I never want to experience again! I'm literally afraid to go out my back door .
First - your bear encounter is understandably unnerving. What an ordeal! Your dog sounds like a hero. I wish I had some knowledge of bear spray to share but I don't. I assume it "couldn't hurt" but that could be a very dangerous assumption.

Second - thanks for the link to that article. Really well done. I want to camp next to that guy :-)
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I've been camping all of my life (almost literally - we were camping in a pop-up just a few weeks after I was born). I've NEVER had a situation where I felt I needed any kind of protection. As others said, if you don't feel right, go elsewhere. I'm not opposed to guns, but carrying a weapon seems like a lot more potential trouble than it's worth.

I'm not saying it can't happen, of course - anything is possible. But look at it this way: Every now and then, there's a thread on here about someone's Airstream being stolen. It happens maybe once or twice a year, which is pretty rare given the size of this community. In comparison, how many threads have you seen about someone being attacked? I can't think of any.
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When a cowboy is to old to set a bad example.he hands out good advice.
To me having a gun is like havin a spaer tire I like to have it if I need it. but hope I never have to use it.
When your out boondocking and trouble comes visiting doesn't mean you have to offer it a place to sit down.
Worry while campin about trouble a comin is like riding a rockin horse,It's something to do that don't get you nowhere.
Most of the stuff people worry about ain't never gonna happen anyway.
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Mongo, those on this thread advising situational awareness offer what I believe to be the most comprehensive and practical advice. This is why I have been methodically replacing every buck rivet on the shell with high-intensity lasers. Uh-huh. LASERS.

That's what I'm talkin' about,

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.....of my Boy Scout survival tips.

You can make a fire by vigorously rubbing elk together, Also beavers.* Rub those beavers.

You can make a signal fire by burning Celine Dion CDs.

There’s no need to be afraid of strange noises in the night. Anything that intends you harm will stalk you silently.

If you encounter a black bear, attempt to cross the road or distract it with rap music.

If you encounter a grizzly bear, attempt to punch it in the eye.* This will not scare the bear off, but you’re dead anyway so you don’t want to go out like a wus.

You can determine which direction is north by asking someone.*
Failing that, float a stick on a still body of water.* North will be the direction that is opposite of south.

Never make RIGHT turns when you’re lost in a forest.*Right turns attract left wing zombies.

Punch squirrels to vent your frustrations

Plant a garden.* Vegetables can sustain you if you plan on sitting still for the better part of a growing season.* And you have vegetable seeds handy.

If you brought a cow, milk it.


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Sorry I'm late getting to the party but I've been busy. After having read all the posts the thing I am struck by is the use of "statistics show" or "studies prove" to prove the position the poster has taken. At least we have evolved beyond "they say". When someone says one of these two lines to bolster a point they should at least be able to and provide a source.
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Sorry I'm late getting to the party but I've been busy. After having read all the posts the thing I am struck by is the use of "statistics show" or "studies prove" to prove the position the poster has taken. At least we have evolved beyond "they say". When someone says one of these two lines to bolster a point they should at least be able to and provide a source.
Stating the source for your information? Wow it's like I'm back in Grad School!! But yes a good idea. then we can debate the statical validity of the measurement instruments used, and if the control group was adequately sized and reflective of the general population.
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