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Old 08-17-2013, 12:05 PM   #43
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Now that's some Red Neck Fun there! At least they were bright enough to do it over water.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:24 PM   #44
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I teach NM Concealed Carry and NRA Personal Protection classes. In fact, I am an NRA Training Counselor, so I train other instructors in these disciplines.
We teach in this order:
Be alert and aware of your surroundings
Avoid or leave dangerous surroundings
Escape if threatened
Defend with deadly force only if in fear of death or great bodily harm.

As for your question, don't purchase a firearm for self defense unless you seek training, practice using it, and become safe and proficient in gun handling and shooting.

I am a big proponent of wasp spray. It has a much longer engagement range than pepper spray, is more accurate to use, less expensive and legal in all 50 states (I think).
Just as with a gun you must practice using it.
Check this link for more info on the topic:
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:25 PM   #45
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My father told me the verb "police" means to clean up, and that's pretty much what they do, clean up after a crime.
First used in English around the year 1530, the word police comes from Middle French word police, in turn from Latin politia, which is the Latinisation of the Greek πολιτεία (politeia), "citizenship, administration, civil polity". This is derived from πόλις (polis), "city".

A policeman is man tasked with doing the will of the city, and has been for over 4000 years.

The same word root is used in the word metropolis.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:27 PM   #46
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Now that's some Red Neck Fun there! At least they were bright enough to do it over water.
I call it Darwinism in action. They were very lucky that they were not in line with the trajectory. They were certainly in range.
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"stun baton"? Sounds fun - link?
I accidently grabbed the baton while it was on once. I NEVER want to do that again! I have an 800,000 volt like the one the video that O63 posted above. They make them up to 8,000,000 volts too. They are also good for attacking dogs and I bought one for my niece after she and her dog was were attacked by a pit bull. She got 30 stitches in her forearm. I wish I had given it to her sooner! My dogs hate it and hide if I turn it on even though I would never use it on them. Somehow they just know.

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I call it Darwinism in action. They were very lucky that they were not in line with the trajectory. They were certainly in range.
I was thinking Darwin Awards when I watched it.
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Is there any stats any where on the number of "trailer invasions" each year? The other side of it is, an AS would be very hard to break into quietly if it was all locked up.
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I teach NM Concealed Carry and NRA Personal Protection classes. In fact, I am an NRA Training Counselor, so I train other instructors in these disciplines.
We teach in this order:
Be alert and aware of your surroundings
Avoid or leave dangerous surroundings
Escape if threatened
Defend with deadly force only if in fear of death or great bodily harm.
I lived, or spent extended amounts of time, in some of the more interesting cities, and parts of cities, in North America and Europe - for example, I lived in Brixton, London, for several years.

I've always found that Step One was the most important action you could take to avoid trouble. Keep your eyes open and know what's going on goes a long way towards staying out of trouble.
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what happens when you spray bear or wasp or mace spray in a trailer? like will the fumes hurt you bad? which is best in the unlikely event of someone coming into the trailer?

Ive seen these videos of like navy or something dudes having to do training where they have to take mace in the face (or something like that) and keep on going....that seemed...uh fun for them

Im conflicted as always about the gun stuff...I am going to bring in my good buddy who is a very reasonable gun enthusiast and one of the most eloquent people I konw and provide his comments later....he usually has an interesting take on things.
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Im conflicted as always about the gun stuff...I am going to bring in my good buddy who is a very reasonable gun enthusiast and one of the most eloquent people I konw and provide his comments later....he usually has an interesting take on things.
If you're traveling armed with family and potentially have loved ones in the line of fire, you need to give serious thought to training your whole family that, as soon as you shout "DOWN" they drop whatever they might have been doing and lie on the floor right away, and practice it at random intervals until you know they'll do it. Gets them out of the line of fire coming from either direction.

That even applies if your armament is wasp or bear spray.
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Sorry ,but i have to ask?? Why do people with the most expensive R.V's don't want to pay to camp ?
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Sorry ,but i have to ask?? Why do people with the most expensive R.V's don't want to pay to camp ?
Because they've already spent all their money to buy the RV and don't have anything left?
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Various points and observations....

1) I have met too many people who brag about owning a gun and willingness ( read desire ) to use it

2) Statistics show that the " good guy " who pulls out a gun usually has a less than good outcome

3) Studies show that inexperienced and experienced gun owners freeze up and loose dexterity in an emergency

4) An expert said that people are more afraid of a baseball bat than a gun, because they can relate to being hit more than being shot

5) There are a team of lawyers attached to every bullet
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A lot Airstreamers are handy. Rig something like this to the propane tanks and door tied to a panic switch.

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