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Old 03-22-2015, 07:46 PM   #15
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400 is a stretch. It depends on so many factors! I have gone over 2000 miles in 24 hours by motorcycle....averaged a bit over 55mph!

Now, I take the AS! I have a place to rest, sanitary "facilities", not some indiscreet cover and a "Ranger Wipe", wife has safe place too which is my primary motivator. We can find a nice safe place to stop, have a break, snack, then check over the running gear and head out again.

I have done 460 miles to Ft. Smith, AR once. It was a very long day on I35 and the abomination loosely referred to as "highways" in Oklahoma. Lovely state... But the roads are done.

Weather, traffic and east west travel during certain times when sun in my face is almost unbearable when sun is low.

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Old 03-22-2015, 08:29 PM   #16
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The women in my family seem to stay youthful until about 63 then hag out quickly. I'm 66 now and I know that I'm about done between 250 and 300 miles per day. If I had a significant other I'd feel comfortable going slightly farther, but not much. No one questions me getting senior discounts - and even a couple of years ago, I actually got challenged frequently.

Chatting while driving CAN be a distraction, but having four eyes on the road does help a lot. I am very much in favor of that 15 minute break - and I regularly take an hour for "lunch". However one rule about lunch is eat VERY lightly - preferably just a salad so there's no urge to sleep off a heavy meal. When driving now, I always drink green tea. It is really more energizing than coffee... that grass clippings taste? I'm adjusting.meh

I finally started to use a GPS - which more than once I've been tempted to throw out of the window, but the snotty English witch usually does make driving much more interactive. I have always noticed that being in a convertible or riding a motorcycle does create a more focused driving experience. Studies have shown that high functioning people with Downs Syndrome are excellent drivers - and that the HIGHER one's IQ is the more likely he/she is to drive distracted. People with Downs Syndrome HAVE to focus 100% on driving to do it at all. (Proves that I'm a genius - it's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

I still check against maps - and I call my planned destination just to verify it's still in business. I do sleep at Cracker Barrels, but the presence of RV parking is not up to date on any app, and a few have closed here and there. Learned my lesson after selecting a campground that I didn't call... got there late and found that it had been foreclosed. The bank left all of the signs in place. Two miles AFTER the last chance to turn around I came to a locked gate with turnaround space INSIDE it. Cheap lock - sledge hammer, nuf said? Re-locked it after I got turned around with a spare lock I had. (Didn't leave the sledge hammer either.) Going back I spray painted "CLOSED" on the signs too. I'm a good citizen in some slightly "off" ways! truly I am.)


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Old 03-22-2015, 08:31 PM   #17
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Just a quick fact check CWF... if you rode 2000 miles in 24 hours, you would be averaging about 83mph. You must have been dog tired after that run. Were you participating in a Cannonball run?
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Old 03-22-2015, 09:36 PM   #18
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Unless you have some emergency (then again, if it's that critical, leave the camper at home to make better time), a 300-mile day is a pretty good limit, depending on the roads travelled.
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Old 03-22-2015, 10:45 PM   #19
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I don't go by time; I go by distance. Makes it easier to plan your stops on a map.

Long explanation follows— you have been warned!

I used to work for the Federal Government, and the Department of Defense Joint Travel Regulations call for a travel limit of 350 miles per day— unless stopping at 350 miles leases you closer than 50 miles from your destination. So the rule is, total distance divided by 350 is the number of travel days; if the remainder is 50 or less round down, if it's over 50 round up to add an extra day.

Doesn't matter how many drivers are in the vehicle, either; it's 350 miles per day for one driver or for four. That's based on the assumption that being a passenger in a moving vehicle is no more restful than is driving, and the next driver will start out just as tired as the one he or she is relieving.

The Corps of Engineers Safety Manual adds another useful rule, that applies to all work including driving: Take a 15-minute break every two hours, and at least half an hour for lunch.

Doing this, it will take you at least eight hours to drive for seven hours, and even poking along at 50mph, seven hours of actual on-the-road time will get you 350 miles to where you are going to stop for the night. So a 350-mile trip is a full day of work.

End of long explanation, finally!

I have violated these distance rules on occasion; when my dad went in the hospital for the last time I drove 750 miles straight, solo, more than twelve hours of actual driving time on the Interstate not counting stopping to fill the fuel tank and drain my tank, no stops for meals or anything. At the time it seemed like the thing to do, but I was so worn out when I got there that in hindsight it was a stupid thing to do. Now that I'm retired and I have no family left other than one younger brother I don't get along with, I will never drive more than 350 miles per day (400 the last day of travel) for the rest of my life. It's more important to arrive alive than it is to arrive quickly.

This is pretty much the basis for safe semi truck operation even though the numbers pencil differently. And, it works. I'm very pleased Protagonist has written out this explanation more than once. It is valid, statistically.

The other way is a shorthand: use 47-mph as an average speed to account for all stops, etc. West of the Mississippi can use 52.

Faster than this is too fast, for optimal preservation of energy.

The oldest version I've heard and still agree with is:

Three hundred miles or three o'clock.

Whichever occurs first means it is time to stop.

It was easier to make time on American roads once the Interstates were completed in the early 1970s. No truck traffic to speak of. This is no longer the case. Too much traffic, and too much stress over the course of a day.

Amateurs talk of skill, professionals talk of risk minimization.
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Old 03-22-2015, 10:58 PM   #20
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I'm very pleased Protagonist has written out this explanation more than once. It is valid, statistically.
Well, I worked for the Federal Government for 33½ years, and I figure I had to learn something in all that time. That was it; all that I learned. Which puts me in the upper 10% of all Federal employees, I figure, because at least I left the Government smarter than when I went in!:
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Old 03-22-2015, 11:09 PM   #21
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How Far?

I'm an old (really old, furry boot Army) Transportation officer. In convoy planning, you made a distinction between speed and ground coverage. Speed is Miles Per Hour, the speed limit or whatever speed your vehicle was able to maintain. Ground coverage is Miles-In-The-Hour, which includes gas stops, pit stops, lunch and just goofing off. When planning a trip to someplace new, I pull up Mapquest, get directions (and adjust the route as needed to suit myself) and then look at the mileage. Divide the miles by 48 MITH - there's the days enroute. Then I look for logical RON's (overnight stays) along the route that don't require too much longer or shorter days (say, an hour more or less). I use 48 MITH because I prefer routes on Blue Highways. If the dreaded Interstate is my route (as seldom as possible), I use 55 MITH - you still have to spend some time at 0 MPH to walk the dogs and visit the Coffee Rental Return (you don't buy coffee, you just rent it for a couple of hours).

Over 20 years wandering around from Key West to Blaine, WA, Nova Scotia to San Diego, it's worked pretty well

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Old 03-23-2015, 05:36 AM   #22
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We try to keep it at right around 350 miles per day. Break camp at about 10:00 AM, stop for lunch and quick stops every 2 hours to stretch the back(s). I've done 1,100 miles from FL to PIT several times solo. Younger and drove faster - took about 18 hours with stops. I used to run pretty quick, still do without the AS following me.

Retired now, but still do about 400-500 miles through areas we have been a number of times before and then slow it down in new areas. We like to stop by 4:00, so the 400-500 days are quick ones with very quick stops. 350 seems just about right

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Old 03-23-2015, 07:18 AM   #23
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When we travel I figure the average mph is 40. Includes pit stops, fuel, mealtime etc. 8 hours on the road nets about 300 miles. Anything over is a bonus.
Figuring an hour to set up and another to break camp you have a 10 to 11 hour day. I like to get a solid 8 hours of sleep in which only leaves 5 hours in a day.

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I agree with the 350 mile folks. We try to break camp around 10:00 am, take about 30 minutes for lunch and a couple of short breaks. This gets us to our next stop around 5:00 pm. Our goal while traveling is (like others) is to arrive before dark.
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Old 03-23-2015, 10:24 AM   #25
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12 hours is the most I have done. It isn't ideal, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes we break a 12 hour trip into two 6 hour trips if given enough days and a nice half-way point campground.
When we retire I will not do any more 12 hour days. For now we are weekend warriors doing the best we can.
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Don't forget nap time

In general, we like the 2-2-2 rule referenced earlier. However, there may be times that you have a deadline and are in a hurry and have to do several hundred miles in one day. In those instances, it's great to have an AS because you can stop anywhere to take an extended nap, watch a little TV, make a fresh pot of coffee etc. By spacing out your nap times, you can cover great distances at a more relaxed pace with less fatigue risk.
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:34 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by Freq Flyer View Post
Just a quick fact check CWF... if you rode 2000 miles in 24 hours, you would be averaging about 83mph. You must have been dog tired after that run. Were you participating in a Cannonball run?
It was "Ferrius Glutimous"/ Iron Butt.

That was everyone's properly I don't know why it posted that... Here are facts:
1500 miles in 24 consecutive hours.
2000 miles in 36 consecutive hours.

Did both.

There is a rally "IBR"... Iron Butt Rally where you must be invited to attend. Only serious riders are involved. I did not qualify.

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Old 03-23-2015, 12:17 PM   #28
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I think the nature of the trip might play into the distances driven as well. On a tour to circumnavigate lake Superior, for example, one might be hard pressed to put 300 miles behind in one day. Dawdling and sight seeing would be the order of the day.
A trip to Yellowstone Park, on the other hand, might be adjusted to allow maximum time at the destination by driving hard on the way out and back.
I am disappointed if I don't already have 150 miles done by 10:00. That's the time for gas, coffee and second breakfast. Days are long in the summer time. There's no sense stopping at 15:00 when the sun shines 'till 21:00 unless sight seeing is intended. On a poking around trip 250-350/day is doing all right. If you have somewhere to go and a reason to be there, 500-600 is easily done.

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