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Old 02-13-2004, 03:47 PM   #15
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Having recently driven that stretch of turnpike that Pahaska's looking at, and having been terrified & unnerved just navigating it with my Chevy S-10, I would under no circumstances try it with a trailer.

I am NOT a timid driver. But that is the biggest road mess I have ever seen & the most dangerous, exhausting route this side of Croatia... and all of Croatia relies on a twisty, 2-lane highway with mountains on one side & a dropoff into the Adriatic Sea on the other, heavily traversed by semi-trailers & motorcyclists who have nothing to live for. And even though the country was still at war at the time & I got yanked off a train in the middle of the night by heavily armed soldiers, I'd STILL rather traverse that bomb-pitted part of the world than drive in Pennsylvania. Especially in the rain & especially in the night, both of which strike those Pennsylvania mountains on a daily basis.

Now, ask me how I *really* feel.....
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Old 02-13-2004, 04:31 PM   #16
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Take I-80

I have to agree w/ flyfisher. I drive all over PA for work. I have been on all the roads mentioned in this forum. 322 to 144 to I-80 would be the best route. There is some construction where 322 & 83 merge into I81 just north of Harrisburg. Not to bad except at rush hour. 322 north of Hburg is almost all 4 lane except about a 6 mile stretch. 144 is a 2 lane road scenic, but more backroad. Although you shouldn't have any trouble towing on it. Another way (would add about 10 miles) would be stay on 322 to State College get on 220 to I80. 220 at S/C is a brand new 4 lane highway. Map Quest shows it, but most maps may not have it. Finished less than a year. Right now it is a 4 lane pothole free highway from S/C to I80. I was just on it about 2 hrs ago. 144 is a nice shortcut route, but depending on time of day (dark) you may want to opt for the 220 route for ease of trailering. Good luck on your journey.

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Old 02-13-2004, 04:46 PM   #17
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I-80 it is!

When I was in USAF flying school in 1952, I came home to Dauphin, PA for Xmas with my little Plymouth coupe. On the way back, I entered a Turnpike tunnel on dry road at a pretty high rate of speed (read "flying low"). I came out the other end of the tunnel going down the mountain on glare ice. No seatbelts then.

About halfway down, I was sliding sideways when I passed a big truck. I still remember the expression on the face of the driver as I looked up at him. I twitched the wheel and miraculously came out going straight down the road.

I only drove the road once or twice since then, the last time being about 1985. I wasn't towing anything, though.
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Old 02-13-2004, 06:30 PM   #18
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Re: I-80 it is!

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When I was in USAF flying school in 1952, I came home to Dauphin, PA for Xmas with my little Plymouth coupe. On the way back, I entered a Turnpike tunnel on dry road at a pretty high rate of speed (read "flying low"). I came out the other end of the tunnel going down the mountain on glare ice. No seatbelts then.

About halfway down, I was sliding sideways when I passed a big truck. I still remember the expression on the face of the driver as I looked up at him. I twitched the wheel and miraculously came out going straight down the road.

I only drove the road once or twice since then, the last time being about 1985. I wasn't towing anything, though.
That happened to us in 1969 with a (then new) 1968 VW bus. We were on US 15 and got to the top of the mountain, , when we started down the other side, all we saw were brake lights. The south side of the hill was dry and ice-free, not so the north side. We slid halfway down that mountain in the suicide lane. I learned that night what "pucker factor" meant
US 15 is also an option to get to I 80, most of it is now 4 lane, also.
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Old 02-13-2004, 10:50 PM   #19
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I drove I-70 eastbound from Pittsburgh down into Maryland in early January. There were many miles of all traffic rerouted to one side or the other with New Jersey barriers down the middle of the lane -- it couldn't have been 10' wide in some places. Seems like that was before & after Somerset -- we weren't about to return on that route! They won't be getting that stretch done anytime soon.

John -- my dad stayed in the Air Force on the strength of a Masters in economics he picked up at Ohio State while he was stationed at Wright-Patterson from 1950-56. He was a T-33 instrument instructor pilot during those years. Anyway, his dad was a pipeline walker and repairman for P-N-G around Clarion in the NW corner of Penna. I've spent many a vacation in that land -- how was I to know they'd end up with their own Airstream Park some day? It's almost reason to go back and walk through Cook's Forest again...
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Old 02-14-2004, 04:14 AM   #20
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PA Turnpike

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I traveled to Jackson Center from Philadelphia and back, eight times last year. The fist trip we used the Pennsylvania turnpike, pulling the Safari. It was very unpleasant, so much so that we used I 68 across western Maryland to I 81 up to Carlisle. Except for a short narrow section that road is much better and in my opinion more scenic. One area around Frostburg, MD tends to develop black ice. This “detour” around the construction on I 70 which starts after Wheeling and doesn’t end until New Stanton on I 76 adds about 60 miles and one hour. Of course you don’t get the privilege of paying a toll to be in the cattle shoot with your Airstream. Hope this helps.

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Old 02-14-2004, 06:39 AM   #21
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Bob/Canoe Stream -

Cook's Forest! Now isn't that a gem, tucked away as it is in central PA? I'm amazed at just how many Pennsylvanians don't even know about it.

If you like walks through virgin forests, another one in PA is Heart's Content, just outside Warren, PA in the nw part of the state. It's not very big, but I believe it may have the last remaining stand of virgin white pine remaining in this part of the country.

(Sorry to get off the original topic, but being as how this is winter time, it's theraputic to dream these thoughts!)
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Two of us left the SugarCreek rally headed for the coast. We had been warned of the turnpike and were advised to use RT 30. We did and it was beautiful but I would be reluctant to do it again. The grades were long and steep. I would hit the bottom of the hill doing 60 and crest the top at 25. That was in 2002 has the turnpike inproved to the point where you would feel safe pulling over it?
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The answer to that question, I guess would depend on where you are headed and what time of day you would be expecting to be on the turnpike. Northeast extension is in good shape. About 10 miles west of Phila is good to fair. East of Phila is good also. Right around Phila is pretty rough in spots. From 10 miles west of Phila heading east toward Jersey is very heavily traveled so you need to take extreme care. NE is only heavy between 3:30 and 6:00 for commute traffic. West bound from outside Phila not to bad. I don't travel past mid state west bound so can't help you with conditions toward Pittsburg. I'm sure someone else will jump in.

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