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Old 06-01-2016, 09:24 AM   #1
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Park Service Considers Visitor Caps

Here is a news article that has been bouncing around for a couple of days. I can see it now, start lining up at the gate at 6:00 AM to get a spot in the park. It may be interesting to see how this evolves.

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — "As the National Park Service kicks off a centennial summer expected to draw record crowds, the agency is seriously considering caps on how many people pass through some of the country’s most iconic landscapes and historical sites each day."

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Old 06-01-2016, 09:36 AM   #2
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I suppose we should have " Seen this one coming". We have not yet found excessive numbers in the parks we have been in recent years, with the exception of Yellowstone that is. An odd thing happened last year in Mesa Verde. We entered the park using our Access pass and were passed through. A mile or so past the booth we were flagged down by a Ranger and asked questions about the gate process. Specifically if we were asked to pay any surcharges in addition to the Access pass. I suppose they have run into some abuses and making an effort to control it. Times are a changing.
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I've been a Visitor Information Services volunteer for the past 15 years at the local NFS office and have seen a lot of changes. Budget cuts have been devastating when it comes to maintainence and improvements. When there was talk of changing the discount from 50% to 10% on the campground fees for senior pass holders, the protests were such that the idea never got beyond the talking stages. The majority of questions I get on camping locations relate to FREE! There have been several closures in our area do to the abuse of the land by those wishing to camp FREE or off the grid on federal lands.

I'd be surprised if there weren't more restrictions in the next couple of years on NFS and NP campgrounds. There are just too damn many people trying to use the same space!
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At Chaco Canyon they just don't pave or barely maintain the roads in, which keeps visitors down to a trickle.


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When we went to Yosemite we felt like the whole part was just trampled by crowds of people. The infrastructure couldn't handle the sheer numbers... Some of the bathrooms in the campground we were in were backed up making them useless and unpleasant... Too many people. (And this was a couple years ago...I can only imagine now.) We hesitate to even try to camping inside ad National Parks now...we'd rather camp outside and drive in. We just got back from Arches and Canyonlands. They did route pass holders around the entrance gate, which which cut down the wait to get in...it was very busy and the viewpoint parking lots were usually full. We have a handicapped placard, otherwise we usually would not have been able to park. And of course people were absolutely inconsiderate to others...often stopping right in the middle of the road or parking where it blocked traffic. It was both astounding and disappointing.
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While I wouldn't be a big fan of a lottery system, which is where this may be headed, I think there are probably ways that the NPS can encourage some load shifting to shoulder seasons at a lot of the parks. I know it will be harder with some of the northernmost parks like Yellowstone because winter sets in and would probably preclude lots of late or early visitors, but hopefully they will do some creative thinking.

I know that Arkansas did some creative things with a bond election to fund their state parks and they now have amongst the best I have seen with minimal user costs.

Perhaps instead of the $1 Presidential Campaign checkoff on the federal tax form, we should be able to choose amongst a handful of national treasures to help maintain.

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We'd totally check the box on our tax return if they had one to support the national parks with a small direct donation. WA state parks have a box on vehicle registration renewals for $5.00 to support state parks. We check that one, too.
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Obviously its time raise the entrance fees. Or charge out of state, or out of country, visitors higher rates.
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Obviously its time raise the entrance fees. Or charge out of state, or out of country, visitors higher rates.

...and I'm firmly in the other camp. I'd love to see national parks better supported as a critical part of "the commons" and accessible via lower fees so more people can appreciate the benefit of and need for saving the beauty and wonder of our open spaces. That would lead to more people acting on the understanding that National Parks and their preservation for future generations is truly relevant to their lives. If citizens perceive National Parks as refuges for those wealthy enough to pay the entry fees, sooner or later we'll be cutting, drilling and mining them into oblivion.
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Well said, Rocinante.

The entrance fees are prohibitive for some, already, and an annual pass certainly out of reach.

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't believe raising fees is it.


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If you can afford to drive to a National Park, stay a couple of nights in a local motel, buy food then the park fees are an insignificant part of the total cost. People will pay a ton more to go to a man made park like Disneyworld.

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If you and a friend or two can just afford to drive to a national park in your beater car and camp in a borrowed tent for a night or two while hiking trails, etc., the high entry fee makes a difference. This isn't Disney, it's a natural, national treasure that all should be able to at least imagine themselves enjoying.

Hey, if I had to wear a visitor cap while there, I might even consider that.
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...and I'm firmly in the other camp. I'd love to see national parks better supported as a critical part of "the commons" and accessible via lower fees so more people can appreciate the benefit of and need for saving the beauty and wonder of our open spaces. That would lead to more people acting on the understanding that National Parks and their preservation for future generations is truly relevant to their lives. If citizens perceive National Parks as refuges for those wealthy enough to pay the entry fees, sooner or later we'll be cutting, drilling and mining them into oblivion.
Getting back to the original complaint, that some parks are being overwhelmed by too many visitors. The mission of the Park Service is preservation. At some locations visitation and preservation are in conflict. It costs money, lots of it, to deal with crowds in these remote places. In a beautiful world the US Government would grant much higher funding to the parks, while not continuing to run large deficits. Since that's probably not happening any time soon, then raising fees or finding some way to fund ever increasing operating costs needs to be met.

Assertions that a $10 or $20 dollar day pass is a hardship ring hollow. Especially for those that spent many thousands to fly across the oceans and spend a pretty penny (or euro) for their Cruise America RV. Been to see a movie lately? Gone out for lunch with a friend? Been to Disneyland? I live just 80 miles from Yosemite but the entrance fee is the tiniest piece of my cost to visit there. Lets keep this in perspective.

Also, at least in Yosemite, there's no lacking of people "appreciating" the place. Most look and sound as if they are from somewhere outside the country, and the way many of them treat the place, don't ever plan to return.
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