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Old 05-30-2011, 08:17 AM   #1
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Park Closings

Across the country, states with problems are closing parks. If these parks are closed we all lose and the likelihood of them reopening diminishes. Is the Airstream community interest, willing, and able to step forward to save a few from closure?
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:30 AM   #2
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It would take a whole lot of money! Essentially, the problem is that when faced with budget shortfalls, states look to cuts, starting with least essential. Then it becomes very political. How do these governments define what is least essential? What is fluff in the budget? As you can imagine, answers vary over the political spectrum.

It is not the intent here to discuss politics, and I warn against it.

However, a good topic would be whether and how Airstreamers in particular and RVers in general might organize to support lobbying efforts to save state parks in particularly vulnerable states from drastic cuts.


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Old 05-30-2011, 08:31 AM   #3
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The short answer is: probably not.
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In most states, the monies collected from the sale of hunting, fishing, camping and other outdoor recreation ventures is "ear marked" for just that. Are our elected officials now robbing that as they have done Social Security?
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This post was started as question. Not to place blame, we all know who is to be blamed!

Is the Airstream community interest, willing, and able to step forward to save a few parks from closure?
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It would take a whole lot of money! Essentially, the problem is that when faced with budget shortfalls, states look to cuts, starting with least essential. Then it becomes very political. How do these governments define what is least essential? What is fluff in the budget? As you can imagine, answers vary over the political spectrum.

It is not the intent here to discuss politics, and I warn against it.

However, a good topic would be whether and how Airstreamers in particular and RVers in general might organize to support lobbying efforts to save state parks in particularly vulnerable states from drastic cuts.


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In the very long term I would prefer the government out of the park business, the question is if the citizen express enough interest to step forward. Especially the special interest organization, Sierra Club, Duck Unlimited, NRA, WBCCI, Escapees, and others.
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We had the same issue in Arizona with many of the State parks closing due to lack of funding from the state. The communities where the parks are located realized that the parks were bringing in revenue for them and provided funding to open the parks again.
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We had the same issue in Arizona with many of the State parks closing due to lack of funding from the state. The communities where the parks are located realized that the parks were bringing in revenue for them and provided funding to open the parks again.
Can you provide more details?
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Yes, those parks that have associated communities have seen those communities step up, or at least consider it. AZ state parks like Homolovi Ruins State Park aren't as lucky: They have sparce communities in the area. Nonetheless, the state has managed to keep that one open (or, more accurately, re-opened).


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It is hard to talk about funding for State Parks or anything else funded by the government without being political. Everyone has their own special interest that they want funded. Its a never ending battle. I don't know if I have the answer, but ideas to allow ALL parks to be self sufficient would be a start. Everything can't be subsidized, and last.
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I'm not sure self-suffience is an option that those who visit state parks would be willing to fund. For example, our most recent state park has cost well over twenty million in the last six or eight years, excluding the high on-going costs of maintenance and repair. Camping and visitors fees are not going fund that amount any time soon.

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It is hard to talk about funding for State Parks or anything else funded by the government without being political. Everyone has their own special interest that they want funded. Its a never ending battle. I don't know if I have the answer, but ideas to allow ALL parks to be self sufficient would be a start. Everything can't be subsidized, and last.
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You are right, eubank... "willing to fund". What is the public "willing to fund" through fees to keep the parks open?

I know nothing about the operational cost of any park. But it seems to me there are thousands of parks across the country that are "privately owned", and they stay open for years, and eveidently make a profit.

However, I think that where most of the state and federal parks are, (with their sights, i.e. Yellowstone, grand canyon, etc.) make things different, if nothing else by sheer scale. I do realize that the "park" may include the "sights" as well as the campgrounds.

Again I don't have the answer, unless we "start talking politics".
I could cut a few things the government spends money on and give it to the parks. Ha! Ha!

Either way, I am for the parks.
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Yes, if you take the broad view, it takes the collective money power of millions (including those who do not visit) rather than the non-collective money power of the few (those who do visit) to handle the budgets of state parks. That's where governments, using the collective money power of millions, are in a position to handle this -- if and only if they want to. That's where the lobbying efforts of ordinary people come in handy.


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