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Old 05-30-2011, 10:52 AM   #15
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Supporting your state parks is one of the best ways to keep them open. When Arizona was closing parks, it looked at the revenue that was being generated.

The FCU Dead Horse Rally generates around $1K every year for Dead Horse Ranch State Park in Cottonwood, AZ which was not affected by any of the park closures.
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:02 AM   #16
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As with anything, it takes effort. Any parks that we know know of in near danger?
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The California State Parks System was directed to identify which parks would close based on attendance rates and historical significance. The department operates more than 270 state park units.

"We regret closing any park," Ruth Coleman, director of California State Parks, said in a statement. "But with the proposed budget reductions over the next two years, we can no longer afford to operate all parks within the system."

The department said service reductions will begin over the summer and closures will begin in September. All parks on the list are to be padlocked by July 1, 2012 under the current budget proposal. The cuts have not yet been signed by Gov. Jerry Brown, so a final list could grow or shrink based on the actions the legislature takes to close the budget deficit.



Parks officials said they tried to protect the most significant cultural and natural resources, while maintaining the parks that provided the most public access and state revenue. In addition, the department intends to seek partnership agreements with local governments and non-profits in attempt to keep some of the parks open. They said 92 percent of total park attendance will be retained and 94 percent of existing revenues even with the closures.

Besides the recently renovated Stanford Mansion and the Governor's Mansion state historic parks, both in downtown Sacramento, the list includes Brannan Island State Recreation Area in Sacramento County and Malakoff Diggins State Historic Park and South Yuba River State Park in Nevada County.

Here's a complete list of the closures:
Anderson Marsh SHP
Annadel SP
Antelope Valley Indian Museum
Austin Creek SRA
Bale Grist Mill SHP
Benbow Lake SRA
Benicia Capitol SHP
Benicia SRA
Bidwell Mansion SHP
Bothe-Napa Valley SP
Brannan Island SRA
California Mining & Mineral Museum
Candlestick Point SRA
Castle Crags SP
Castle Rock SP
China Camp SP
Colusa-Sacramento River SRA
Del Norte Coast Redwoods SP
Fort Humboldt SHP
Fort Tejon SHP
Garrapata SP
George J. Hatfield SRA
Governor's Mansion SHP
Gray Whale Cove SB
Greenwood SB
Grizzly Creek Redwoods SP
Hendy Woods SP
Henry W. Coe SP
Jack London SHP
Jug Handle SNR
Leland Stanford Mansion SHP
Limekiln SP
Los Encinos SHP
Malakoff Diggins SHP
Manchester SP
McConnell SRA
McGrath SB
Mono Lake Tufa SNR
Morro Strand SB
Moss Landing SB
Olompali SHP
Palomar Mountain SP
Petaluma Adobe SHP
Picacho SRA
Pio Pico SHP
Plumas-Eureka SP
Point Cabrillo Light Station
Portola Redwoods SP
Providence Mountains SRA
Railtown 1897 SHP
Russian Gulch SP
Saddleback Butte SP
Salton Sea SRA
Samuel P. Taylor SP
San Pasqual Battlefield SHP
Santa Cruz Mission SHP
Santa Susana Pass SHP
Shasta SHP
South Yuba River SP
Standish-Hickey SRA
Sugarloaf Ridge SP
Tomales Bay SP
Tule Elk SNR
Turlock Lake SRA
Twin Lakes SB
Weaverville Joss House SHP
Westport-Union Landing SB
William B. Ide Adobe SHP
Woodson Bridge SRA
Zmudowski SB

Source: Sacramento Bee and others.
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:53 AM   #18
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I sure hope the government stays in the park business. Every privately owned campground we have stayed in has sites that are way too narrow, are overcrowded and usually in the poorest locations in an area.

We love to boondock if it means backing onto a stream (Smoky Mtns) or getting a great vista at sunrise (Shenandoah), or backing onto the ocean Cavendish (PEI). We have not found a private campground that comes close to providing this environment.
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I'm afraid that the money required to fund, manage and run a state park is too excessive for the small portion of the public that uses it. The Bureau of Reclamation has just finished building Lake Nighthorse in Durango which is supposed to have boating, fishing, swimming, and a campground. However no one can afford to run it. Not the state, the county, the city or the Feds. So this big beautiful lake, just 3 miles from town, sits unused and fenced off to the public. Estimated budget to develop recreation is around $20,000,000. Any one want to step up?
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Re: California State Parks Closing.

Apparently, the latest is that if the state parks get federal funding, the state can't close them all (70 of them) without forfeiting the federal funds. According to the San Jose Mercury, because of a clause in the Land and Water Conservation Fund that collects royalities from offshore oil drilling to buy parklands and wildlife refuges, the state can't close some of them. There are 16 that are affected. Now, California will spend 33 million dollars on lawyers to see if they can get around the clause. (that's my editorial). Coincidentally, 33 million dollars is how much it would cost to keep them all open.

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The RV industry and related companies could shoulder part of the monies need to keep some public parks open. Look at all the money people spend on the RV lifestyle yearly.
I have no idea what that figure is, but I bet it's a lot.
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It's even harder - everyone is concerned about the parks they use or are near and dear to their heart....

I just wonder what the money is being diverted too - again, a discussion such as that boarders on the political so I'll just say - Good Luck to all our parks... ;(
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It's even harder - everyone is concerned about the parks they use or are near and dear to their heart....

I just wonder what the money is being diverted too - again, a discussion such as that boarders on the political so I'll just say - Good Luck to all our parks... ;(
In states that I'm aware of, the income generated by parks does not cover their costs. Not even by a long shot. If there is diversion of funds, it would likely be from taxpayer funds going from one account (e.g., parks) to another deemed "more important" to the ongoing operations of the state. (The political part is the determination of what's "more important.")


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I sure hope the government stays in the park business. Every privately owned campground we have stayed in has sites that are way too narrow, are overcrowded and usually in the poorest locations in an area.

We love to boondock if it means backing onto a stream (Smoky Mtns) or getting a great vista at sunrise (Shenandoah), or backing onto the ocean Cavendish (PEI). We have not found a private campground that comes close to providing this environment.
Well said SC

We have been going to the Adirondack St. Park for a long time....It's the reason we got our first Airstream.

Last Season the State DEC closed one of three campgrounds on our favorite lake, it so happened it was the one we liked best.

The surrounding communities suffered, so much so that the tax revenue the State collected suffered. The powers in Albany realizing the folly of their actions....wonder of wonders the it's back open this year.

The State parks are there for all to use...We are lucky here in NY the ASP is the largest and one of the oldest in the Country. "Forever Wild" is stated in it's charter....if it wasn't for some far sighted citizens and politicians we would never have such a great resource.

It's where "Cloudsplitter" was born...

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1895 Constitutional Protection: "Forever Wild"

At the 1894 Constitutional Convention, a new covenant to achieve meaningful protection of the Forest Preserve was included in the new Constitution. Henceforth, the Adirondack Forest Preserve would be "forever wild."

"For years the State had been acquiring and holding lands, often denuded, to be sure, which lumber interests did not pay the taxes on. It was this nucleus of property that gave the idea for the Park. Curiously enough, in this way, avarice was its own undoing ... In 1885 the Forest Preserve was created, and the popular vote in 1894 set it aside for the use of all the people forever."
-- T. Morris Longstreth, The Adirondacks, 1917

Any relaxation of the total protection offered to today's 2.5-million-acre Forest Preserve requires the approval of a majority of the state's voters and two successive legislatures. It is rarely given. Voters and their representatives have continually resisted major changes, approving only narrowly drafted alterations: the cutting of ski trails on Whiteface Mountain (1940) and construction of the Northway, I-87 (1958) are among the most prominent.
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In Colorado there is a move to combine the State Parks and the Department of Wildlife. The DOW is self sustaining based on hunting and fishing license sales. They also get income from the feds based on taxes paid on guns, ammo and fishing gear proportionate to sales. But, and it's a big but, that revnue can only be used for enhancing wildlife habitat, not improving state parks.

On another subject, USFS/NPS Golden age passes offer a 50% discount on camp site fees. When there was talk of dropping that discount to 10% last year so that additional monies could be used to improve USFS/NPS camp sites the howel from the senior set could be heard for miles!

In as much as I beleive in means testing for social security and medicre, I no longer use my Golden Age pass.
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... On another subject, USFS/NPS Golden age passes offer a 50% discount on camp site fees. When there was talk of dropping that discount to 10% last year so that additional monies could be used to improve USFS/NPS camp sites the howel from the senior set could be heard for miles!
There are restrictions on it. At many of the more major national parks, some or all of the campgrounds -- especially, it seems, those that cater to RVs -- are run by private concessionaires like Xanterra, and these concessionaires may or may not honor the passes.


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This is an interesting thread. Do most of you know that the environmental groups across the USA have stopped most or all of the logging industry? You might be surprised that most of the money generated by forest management went to the local communities "in lieu of taxes" for roads, bridges, schools, and RV parks maintenance. In Idaho for example, we had 55 saw mills 25 years ago and now we have 3. Imagine the impact on small communities, employment, and now those forests are burning up or destroyed by insects. My how we have progressed. The RV industry will see more of the park closings nation wide as the environmental groups stop everything on federal and state lands, they just don't like us, we stink.

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This is a different approach to the general problem of states closing parks. In Michigan, campers have started using & are maintaining a park closed back in 2009.

Campground closed in 2009 illegally reopened - MiningJournal.net | News, Sports, Jobs, Marquette Information | The Mining Journal

Don't try this at home... But good going there!
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