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Old 10-20-2014, 09:43 AM   #57
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If everyone contested a traffic violation, and showed up in court, the cops would not be on the street writing tickets, the courts would be jammed packed, cases would stack up, and if everyone one refused to pay, the jails would not be able to hold everyone, so at some point it could be years before you'd be scheduled to appear in court. Let chaos rein supreme! The cops are notorious for NOT showing up in court. Of course you could just pay the ticket.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:55 AM   #58
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If everyone contested a traffic violation, and showed up in court, the cops would not be on the street writing tickets, the courts would be jammed packed, cases would stack up, and if everyone one refused to pay, the jails would not be able to hold everyone, so at some point it could be years before you'd be scheduled to appear in court. Let chaos rein supreme! The cops are notorious for NOT showing up in court. Of course you could just pay the ticket.
Or we could obey the speed limit and get the exact same effect...
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:02 AM   #59
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My philosophy on speeding tickets is simple. If you're guilty put your big boy pants on and take your medicine. I hate to hear whining about how unfair it was when they were speeding. Pay the ticket and move on. When someone receives a ticket it's probably not the first time they exceeded the speed limit. I've been stopped twice. My biggest concern is how to keep it off insurance.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:21 PM   #60
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Not sure if you have a concealed carry permit, but failure to pay any fine which results from an LEO ticket they can pull your permit. I have a UT permit and part of securing it was a class where this was mentioned by the instructor. I have multiple permits and they all basically say this or something similar.

So, I pay all tickets right away, not questions asked, figure if I can't talk my way out of it at the time I've lost anyway.
This is a good point.. however, it wouldn't necessarily get ones CPL revoked.

Not paying a traffic violation will get you either a suspended DL, or a bench warrant. This information is supposed to be relayed to the gun board, who then issues a CPL suspension.

From what I understand, the gun board uses MCL 28.425(b) to determine whether a suspension is issued. Some misdemeanor traffic violations that preclude a person from a CPL are: 'leaving scene of injury accident', 'operating while intoxicated', 'reckless driving'

Having a suspended license wouldn't justify a suspending/revoking CPL but, "operating while license suspended or revoked" would.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:41 PM   #61
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surprised/not surprised at the 'man-up, pay the fine' responses.

If you'd read my posts, you'd see I attempted to pay the ticket at the muni office listed on the ticket. They had 'no record' of the ticket, and the clerk offered nothing more.

Then, sends me late notice in mail with surcharges. Small town extortion scheme. Plain and simple.

If the ticket wasn't two days of driving away, I would've argued for dismissal based on laches doctrine.
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:48 PM   #62
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surprised/not surprised at the 'man-up, pay the fine' responses.

If you'd read my posts, you'd see I attempted to pay the ticket at the muni office listed on the ticket. They had 'no record' of the ticket, and the clerk offered nothing more.

Then, sends me late notice in mail with surcharges. Small town extortion scheme. Plain and simple.

If the ticket wasn't two days of driving away, I would've argued for dismissal based on laches doctrine.
I did read your posts. They clocked you at 88 yes? I don't know any 88mph roads (I guess that might exist somewhere) so you know you violated the law.

When it goes the other way - a known murderer "gets off" on a technicality, what's your reaction then?

Besides - you posted this in 2012 and still sound (to my ear anyway) a bit sore over it all. That's probably costing you more than the fine!

Now please - no salt/wound intended here - but the entire thing could have been avoided had you just obeyed the limit.

I used to drive way too fast (and angry) all the time. At some point we bought a Honda Insight which a ) had no power :-) and b ) had this cool "game" on the dashboard which grew leaves the more efficient you drove. I found myself driving in the far right lane all the time (instead of riding bumpers in the left lane, flashing high beams at the "jerk" in front of me who wouldn't exceed 80 in that lane or let me pass). And man - it was so refreshing!!!!

Now towing the Airstream (and a much different fuel consumer in my 3/4 ton truck) while exceeding the limit just seems silly (I know you weren't towing at the time too...).

Much lower stress, no fines or insurance surcharges, probably less injury to self and others if in an accident, no time spent being angry or sore over a municipal "scam"... What's not to love?

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Breathe deep. Slow down. If you do speed, pay the fine and go back to breathing deeply and slowing down. :-)
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:44 PM   #63
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Aftermath, thank you, this thread is so old that I had to go back and read my response, my opinion has still not changed.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:00 PM   #64
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I did read your posts. They clocked you at 88 yes? I don't know any 88mph roads (I guess that might exist somewhere) so you know you violated the law.

When it goes the other way - a known murderer "gets off" on a technicality, what's your reaction then?
Sorry, can't argue with somebody who equates breaking the speed limit with murder.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:09 PM   #65
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Sorry, can't argue with somebody who equates breaking the speed limit with murder.
I agree - that just doesn't sound right.

I was attempting to equate your point about the municipality's technical error (not having a record of the offense) to another technical error from the opposite perspective and that was the first "getting off on a technicality" that popped in to my head. I don't equate tickets with murder (or you with a murderer) - the analogy simply failed.

Hopefully the rest of it is still worth discussing.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:13 PM   #66
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It is a racket. Pay the local court or pay a local lawyer. Never ignore it.

Paying the ticket is an admission of guilt and adds points to your home state drivers license - increasing insurance rate.

We have gotten quite a few of these tickets and always contest it via a local lawyer. Mostly out of principle. All can be handled over the phone or email. Do some research to find a good lawyer including talking to them on the phone. Tell the lawyer you want to avoid points.

We have gotten no points on our drivers licenses from out of state tickets. Most of the time charges are dropped or charges reduced to something avoiding insurance points. Sometimes small court costs.

MOST IMPORTANT: Never incriminate yourself. The police officer may ask you something like: "Do you know why I stopped you? or "Do you know how fast you were going?" or "Why were you speeding?". Always state that you believe you were driving safely and doing the speed limit and/or were not aware that you were over the speed limit. Make notes of your conversation and be sure you tell the out of state lawyer how you responded.
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Old 10-21-2014, 05:43 AM   #67
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I know I'm out of the mainstream on this. However, it seems to me that is so much easier and less stress just to drive the speed limit or under.

Yeah, I'm probably that old fart driving the speed limit and keeping you from getting to your appointment on time because you failed to allow enough time in the first place.

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It's easier to find a speed that is below the "flow" of traffic (the idiot pack) and remain in the right lane rarely if ever having to pass. Leave earlier, plan the trip better. The need to maintain adequate following distance precludes "speeding".

Fuel economy, vehicle wear & tear and driver alertness are better in a long day at the wheel when below the flow. The number of steering wheel corrections, brake applications and acceleration events are the criteria. Fewer = better.

Traffic violations can affect my income. Any at all mean some truck jobs are out of reach, no matter the purported severity of a "violation".

The mindset that allows for "speeding" (which is conditions, not the upper limit) also appears to allow for cutting between my 74,000-lb 46' tanker and the 59,000-lb 53' box van I am passing while on the Interstate. Or, cutting over to the right lane to go around me as I put enough distance to make the change back to the right lane. Believe me that I can whip through traffic if I so choose. As scary as that ought to be (and is) the principle is no different small to large.

I'm always amazed that there are those who think faster traffic has the right of way. "Speeding" leads to habitual bad decision-making. And doesn't really affect the length of the trip. Bad habits = bad driver.

I recommend learning how average speed works especially if the vehicle driven is modern enough to have this recorded for easy retrieval. Average speed is always lower than stated travel speed . . but the difference between below & above an upper speed limit can be vanishingly small in its calculation.

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Out of state speeding ticket

Sound advice from a commercial motor carrier. His words also describe the difference between a "driver" and a "motor vehicle operator".

Awesome post.
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Might as well close this thread after Slowmover's post. He pretty much said it all - from a professional's point of view.
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The "solution" was to get a radar detector. Really? I would outlaw all of these because the ONLY reason they exist is to break the law. It is indeed a scary place when our roads are filled with angry individuals who have no respect for the laws and law enforcement.

If this happened to me, I would send in the fine for the ticket with a letter written very respectfully explaining why I don't think I should have to pay the penalty. If they persist, I would pay that too and be done with it.
Hmmmm... I guess, then, that a radar detector use or possession must cause the owner to be considered guilty... until proven innocent? Not in our system of government - at least not around here. Mere possession of a detector in some other countries, states, & jurisdictions is however illegal.

Officer discretion determines not only whether a warning will be given or a speeding citation will be issued, but also if the offender will be released on a promise to appear. In some jurisdictions, depending on the severity of the offense, collateral bond must be posted by the alleged offender or they may be forced to spend some time in jail ... until an appearance before a judge or magistrate. If the offense is late on a Friday night and the judge is not available until Monday ... sadness!

An unpaid fine may result in a bench warrant - usually not executed until the offender returns to that state or jurisdiction. Then, the unpaid fine may result in an appearance before the judge and or jail time. Other agencies may also access and/or execute the bench warrant.

So, pay the fine; or, if you want. buy a detector - but suggest to stay away from the cheap ones. I can't tell you how many times I made a traffic stop and saw the flashing lights inside the suspect vehicle or heard the device honking in the background.
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