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Old 07-11-2006, 09:56 PM   #1
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Question New Diesel Fuel

While traveling to Oregon I heard from a service station owner that there is a new blend of diesel fuel that is mandated for October 2006. I have been unable to find exactly what this mandate is or how it will affect us in our rigs. Just hoping that someone out there knows something about this and can reference a site that will put some light on the subject.Thanks, Rick
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While traveling from FL to OR, I saw a number of labels on the diesel pumps that said that the low sulpher fuel was not to be placed in 2007 and later year diesel engines, but no one know about the new stuff. I haven't found anything on the net either?
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The owner was trying to explain that the new fuel couldn't be used in the older vechicles without a fuel additive. I have been using the 500 ppm sulfer without any problems but he was explaining that an even lower sulfer fuel had been mandated.
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Here's a link to Chevron ... maybe this will help clear things up.

http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...sel/ulsd.shtml
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Here's a link to Chevron ... maybe this will help clear things up.

http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...sel/ulsd.shtml
Interesting. Thanks Porky.
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...I have been unable to find exactly what this mandate is or how it will affect us in our rigs...
Sounds like it will mean less fuel economy, less efficiency, less power, more cost, more maintenance cost, and more PIA for us! Oh yeah, does this mean that the CAFE for desiels will be relaxed to compensate for the reduced BTU's in the fuel? I don't think so.
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I think ULSD is only 1% less BTU's per gallon than the current #2 diesel. There are SUPPOSED to be enough additives in ULSD to make up for the lack of lubricity. However, I am now running some biodiesel in my truck and tractors. As little as 2% bio, will bring the lubricity up to where it belongs.

If you are running a Duramax, any Stanadyne diesel additive will bring the lubricity up, and is approved by GM. If you have a John Deere dealer nearby, their diesel fuel additive is repackaged Stanadyne Performance Additive.

ULSD is a good thing. Expect to see more diesel vehicles available in the U.S. after it's introduction.
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ULSD will open the door for more manufacturers to build and sell 50 state vehicles with diesel engines. This is a good thing. The down side of course is that our all powerful fuel vendors get to charge us more. I have no illusions that it would ever get cheaper anyway. If you already run bio-diesel blends (B-5, B-20 etc...) you can run ULSD.
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I have read that in Europe, car companies offer many high performance diesel engines in their cars. They can't import them here because they all use very low sulphur fuel and it generally is not available in this country.

Has anyone else heard this?
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I think ULSD is only 1% less BTU's per gallon than the current #2 diesel. There are SUPPOSED to be enough additives in ULSD to make up for the lack of lubricity. However, I am now running some biodiesel in my truck and tractors. As little as 2% bio, will bring the lubricity up to where it belongs.

If you are running a Duramax, any Stanadyne diesel additive will bring the lubricity up, and is approved by GM. If you have a John Deere dealer nearby, their diesel fuel additive is repackaged Stanadyne Performance Additive.

ULSD is a good thing. Expect to see more diesel vehicles available in the U.S. after it's introduction.
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The Chevron fact sheet seems to imply that the lubricity will not be affected by the reduced sulfur content - since the current lubricity standards were established some time back and the new fuel must comply therewith. What's your take on their Q & A sheet?
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it's true

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That's exactly what I was referring to. And it's not just the Euro car makers Honda is planning on importing their 2.2 L (200 HP) diesel in an 08 Civic.
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I may just be pessimistic, but I got a recall a few months back on my '05 PSD F-250 to have it re-programmed. I was told it might have less power when the engine was cold, but overall the MPG's would remain the same or maybe get better. I lost 2 MPG's on my daily 50 mile round trip commute! Now the BIG OIL COMPANY tells us that the NEW AND IMPROVED diesel fuel will be just as good as the old stuff and will be just as good for our engine. I'm not sure what to believe.
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Cracker, general consensus is that even the current LS lubricity may still not be good enough for some pumps and injectors, let alone the new ULSD.

I have been using some sort of lubricity additive for the last 2 years. Be it Shaeffers Soy Shield, Chevron Diesel Injector Cleaner, Stanadyne Lubricity additive, or currently biodiesel, since we now have commercial source here in Gainesville.
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Price jump coming?

I am sure this is good news for new diesel vehicles, but here in California they are already killing us on diesel prices, usually as high as premium and many times even more. With these changes, who thinks diesel prices will start escalating faster than gas?
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