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Old 07-12-2006, 03:32 PM   #15
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With these changes, who thinks diesel prices will start escalating faster than gas?
My hand is raised!
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Old 08-31-2006, 04:19 PM   #16
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Buy 2006 or 2007?

I was originally waiting until next year to buy a diesel TV. I wonder if it might be better to grab a 2006 now? From what I have read, to older models will burn the new fuel. Humm, but maybe not as efficiently? If all is equal, I would rather be greener and cleaner. What do you experts recommend doing? Will the 2007s perform as well as the 2006s when burning the low sulfur fuel?

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Old 08-31-2006, 05:06 PM   #17
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ULSD will burn out your injector pump.
Unless you are driving a 2007 truck right now.
Dodge/Cummins are making the diesel 5.9 liter into a 6.7 liter so it can run ULSD and get the same power, while meeting the smog specs.

The lubricity standards were introduced because ULSD is ruining motors.

My dodge mechanic recomends:
Use an additive in your diesel, or 2% minimum bio.

Remember when "unleaded" gas killed a bunch of motors in the 70's?
Untill the new head/valve designs caught up to the "technology".

Same game, different decade.
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:35 PM   #18
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Well, I'm one of those superstitious Cummins owners who already mixes up a POTION to give the truck at each fillup. As I'm pouring it in I chant "Happy injection pump!" three times.

When ULSD arrives, I may have to chant it four times, but I think the brew will remain the same.

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Old 08-31-2006, 07:39 PM   #19
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One other point is that the 2007 Diesels will be required to have a particulate trap (my understanding is that this is equivalent to a catalytic converter on a gasser. That is, LSD will ruin the trap).

My Ford mechanic told me that the bad news is that these will require servicing at certain intervals. The good news is that the traps will be removable and can be cleaned or replaced (at least on Fords). I drive an 01 with the 7.3 and he drives an 05 with 6.0 PSD. His advice was either buy an 06 or wait to at least 08. This will be an additional cost.
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Because of the particulate trap/ catalytic converter to be used on the 2007's I opted to go with the 2006. Cummins says that the pre 2007 engines will run on the new lower sulphur fuel. It was my feeling that I wanted the option of being able to use any fuel on the market not just the newer fuel. Will the tractor trailers be using the new fuel as well or is it just the automotive fuel that is affected? Sometimes I can physically only get into the truck pumps not the auto so that was a big concern.
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ALL diesel fuel will be ULSD by the end of the year. We will not have a choice.
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Old 09-01-2006, 09:36 AM   #22
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I have yet to find a single ULSD pump in Georgia.

I am *very* glad I bought an '06. I would have been hosed. (pardon the pun).


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Old 09-01-2006, 09:45 AM   #23
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Today is the day

Well,

According to the public notices, today is the day that California must have converted to ONLY ULSD at all of the pumps. I will be venturing out here in So Cal to see if it really happened and report back. First, I will have my coffee, high test of course.

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Old 09-01-2006, 09:55 AM   #24
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The 2007s on the market today are still the "old" engines. In fact you will notice that the Silverado 2500HD is called the "Classic"...awaiting both the new body style and the new Duramax that will be introduced around the first of the year. So you could still get diesel in Geogia for an "old" Duramax 2007 version.

My question is if it is better to buy a 2007 "Classic" with the "old" Duramax or wait for a "new" 2007 or maybe wait for a 2008 after any issues have surfaced.

Since I am stiull early in the search process and don't own the AS yet...I will likely wait and see what happens with the "new" Duramax...and if it is not good...buy a used"old" Duramax.

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I have yet to find a single ULSD pump in Georgia.
That is because they will be using the old pumps and tanks. You might be buying ULSD right now and even know it. The stickers on the pumps will remain until all the LSD is purged from station fueling systms.
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Old 09-01-2006, 12:03 PM   #26
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Well,

According to the public notices, today is the day that California must have converted to ONLY ULSD at all of the pumps. I will be venturing out here in So Cal to see if it really happened and report back. First, I will have my coffee, high test of course.

John
Once you have ventured forth, please report back on whether or not there is a price difference, I mean price increase of course.
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That is because they will be using the old pumps and tanks. You might be buying ULSD right now and even know it. The stickers on the pumps will remain until all the LSD is purged from station fueling systms.
This may account for no decrease in price in diesel while there has been a more than 10% drop in gasoline prices in the last 2-3 weeks in my neck of the metro-Atlanta area.
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Old 09-02-2006, 06:06 AM   #27
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Well, it’s now here in CA… and it’s required:ULSD
Ultra Low Sulfur (highway) Diesel fuel.
15 ppm Sulfur vs. 500 ppm Sulfur in LSD.
It’s the ONLY highway diesel fuel available in CA.
It will be available to the rest of USA by 10-15-06.
And REQUIRED nationwide by 12-01-10.
See schedule: http://www.clean-diesel.org/
2007 and later diesels require ULSD…
But 2006’s can run either…
More options when going out of state…
Looks like I’ll buy that 2006 PSD!

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Old 09-02-2006, 07:51 AM   #28
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My mechanical fuel pump went out yesterday on my Ford/Navistar diesel, a new one was only $25, but I am now nervously awaiting the telltale drip, and odor, of a leaking injector pump. I went down this road in 1990 when the current fuel was mandated, I had to run an additive with the fuel to keep from chewing up the seals in the injector pump. Sigh...
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