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Old 03-13-2012, 01:48 PM   #15
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Overall I'm happy with my f150, it might just "feel" underpowered, never pulled my AS with a dually f350 for comparison. The 4.6 lit has 231 hp, and the 5.4 has 300 in the 2006 model. The 5.4 did have a problem with the spark plugs breaking off in the heads... For the 4 trips a year we have been doing just fine, but not going to win a drag race..
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:53 PM   #16
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HP/torque irrelevant, try asking anyone for a definition, without the google, you'd be hard pressed to get the right answer.

All we know is.... no poop when we step on the go fast=not enough.

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Old 03-13-2012, 02:06 PM   #17
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HP/torque irrelevant, try asking anyone for a definition, without the google, you'd be hard pressed to get the right answer.

All we know is.... no poop when we step on the go fast=not enough.

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I don't think it's entirely irrelevant, at least not the torque and HP that's left over after pushing/pulling the vehicle along, although I grant you that manufacturers claims maybe a bit on the wild side because big numbers sell.

But that's where I get intrigued; what's "not fast enough"? I hang a trailer on the back of my car and I expect the acceleration and the achievable speeds to be impacted. I also expect that it'll slow down on the hills, as well. Are people trying to get tow vehicles that are not impacted by having a few thousand pounds dragged along behind it?

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I don't think it's entirely irrelevant, at least not the torque and HP that's left over after pushing/pulling the vehicle along, although I grant you that manufacturers claims maybe a bit on the wild side because big numbers sell.

But that's where I get intrigued; what's "not fast enough"? I hang a trailer on the back of my car and I expect the acceleration and the achievable speeds to be impacted. I also expect that it'll slow down on the hills, as well. Are people trying to get tow vehicles that are not impacted by having a few thousand pounds dragged along behind it?

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As of a few years ago, all manufacturers must use the same rating system for HP and torque. Can't remember when that started exactly, but prior to that, you're right. The imports were notorious for overstating. Some of the domestic sports cars were notoriously under rated, for insurance purposes. No longer can do that stuff.
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We must have enough of each now.... 'cuz we no longer have to rock back and forth in our seats to make it over the summit.

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Old 03-13-2012, 02:43 PM   #20
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We must have enough of each now.... 'cuz we no longer have to rock back and forth in our seats to make it over the summit.

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And that was without the trailer. Sal.
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Mine is also 5000 fully loaded, and I also have 2 kids (ages 9 & 11), so having the space and comfort for the long hauls is important. I use a Toyota Sequoia 4WD. All the power we ever need, DVD player for the kids in the back, and manageable mileage (around 13 mpg when towing).
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I tow a 2008 20' Safari with a 2009 1500 crew cab (5.3 ltr) Silverado with HD towing package and tow/haul gear. I get 18-20 mph without trailer and 13-13.5 with trailer. No kids, no pets and really enjoy the extra cab space in the crew cab. I have a "bed rack" for 2 bikes and still have room for a 35 gal tote, grills and chairs.
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One other major (at least to me) consideration: if you decided to get a generator, you may need to haul along extra fuel, i.e. a gas can. If you do that, consider whether you want it inside the cabin with you (I don't!). Absent that consideration, it's really hard to beat a Suburban/Yukon.

I tow with a 3/4 ton single rear wheel diesel pickup, but have it for reasons other than towing my Airstream. Much more power than necessary - though with its phenomenal torque and the turbocharger that helps a lot in the mountains, it is pretty nice not to have to slow down because of an uphill grade. I don't like holding other folks up, and my distant past experience is that they often get very excited and such if I do. So, it's terrific in the mountains, going up and going down, but it's way overkill on the flats.

Whatever you decide to get, be sure to get the heaviest-duty factory tow package that's available for your vehicle. That ought to get you heavier duty shocks and springs, lower gearing, probably a decent transmission cooler, extendable tow mirrors (way important), a well-tested hitch receiver, and likely a tow/haul mode transmission, wiring harnesses, and perhaps a factory built-in brake controller.

Finally, read the threads on the Forums regarding four wheel drive. Lot of opinions on both sides of that one, but don't make the decision by default. I've only NEEDED mine three times in tens of thousands of miles of towing, but those three times I needed it pretty badly. Your choice, your result!

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I would say the Toyota Tundra or F-150 with Ecoboost would be good options. I expect the Ecoboost is going to give you the best miliage and will handle high altitudes better since it is turbo-charged. If you had a bigger trailer I would tell you to get a 3/4 ton truck.

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[QUOTE=AirsDream;1119518]One other major (at least to me) consideration: if you decided to get a generator, you may need to haul along extra fuel, i.e. a gas can. If you do that, consider whether you want it inside the cabin with you (I don't!). Absent that consideration, it's really hard to beat a Suburban/Yukon.

Always remember, gas fumes sink! Always air out any enclosed deep space that has gasoline in it. Boats have bilge pump blowers purpose you run for several minutes before you attempt to spark any ignition or anything. Don't fill the containers in the truck bed, a spark can make your truck go boom, ground that container on the ground.

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I tow a 2008 20' Safari with a 2009 1500 crew cab (5.3 ltr) Silverado with HD towing package and tow/haul gear. I get 18-20 mph without trailer and 13-13.5 with trailer. No kids, no pets and really enjoy the extra cab space in the crew cab. I have a "bed rack" for 2 bikes and still have room for a 35 gal tote, grills and chairs.
What kind of bed rack do you have for the bikes?
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My experience has shown that a short bed, crew cab with a camper shell is perfect. By putting in a "shelf" floor (a 4 x 8 sheet of 3/4 in plywood) on the built in bed indentations you will have double storage space where you can keep all the nasty, wet, muddy, sewage hoses, tools, etc, separate from the mats, chairs, bikes, etc, that you carry. Wet dogs go on my top shelf. It also provides a safe place for the generator if your so inclined. The crew cab provides for a space for the family. I really like the Ford F-150....even though, I drive a 2500 Chevy diesel.
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Mornin y'all. Jan the owner of the Retromobile here...the suburban is too high miles and I need a new tow vehicle. Anyone want to throw 2 cents in on best bet? Dooleys have any advantages?
Tow vehicles are winners when it comes to getting advice. I guess by now you wish you had never asked for someone else's opinion. We are so differently inclined about trucks, but don't let it scare you away from asking other questions about other things. This forum is the greatest place to find good information about Airstream related subjects.
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