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Old 12-08-2014, 12:17 PM   #15
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Thank you for posting this is such a polite and understanding way. I would rather learn something than just talk. I never learn anything when I am talking haha. And so I didÖIt never occurred to me that dishwater was attracting bears. I still think the smell of the food attracts bears as well. Yeah, a campground is like a grocery store for Yogi and Booboo.
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Old 12-08-2014, 12:18 PM   #16
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Those litte blue thngs people haul with their hitch to dump stations wouldn't require lifting, tho, and they are everywhere so must work pretty well.
I wouldn't recommend them for boondocking, though, only for campgrounds with a dump station rather than sewer hookups. You can only tow them at low speed, and not on a public thoroughfare; they're not street-legal. If you have to haul them over the road to get to someplace to dump them, those blue Thetford totes have the same problem of loading them up into the tow vehicle.
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Old 12-08-2014, 12:21 PM   #17
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It only matters where it matters, and we found some places where it did.

Most places, it doesn't, and I agree completely with Atomic 13.

Just good to be armed with knowledge, as we say....it's what this forum is all about.


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Old 12-08-2014, 12:23 PM   #18
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I prefer a tote tank of 10 gallons or less, we carry a 5 and a 10. The idea of towing a tank a mile on the beach doesn't set well but a small tank can be lifted onto the tailgate of a truck. It can also be dumped into a pit toilet if no dump station is available. Once you know how much sewage you make you can time your transport schedule to match. We have found a gallon per day for each person is about right. We have also used the gopher hole approach when it seemed appropriate. Usually dug away from the camping area. If you use a real gopher hole it tends to upset the gopher
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Of course, Protag, but you could always empty your grey into one, haul it away from your boondocking site and empty it.


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Old 12-08-2014, 12:43 PM   #20
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If you are boondocking off dirt roads, ala FS/BLM, those totes with wheel won't work very well. They are good for campgrounds with improved roads with dump stations. Every fed campground or state park I've been into with no sewer hookups prohibits dumping grey water. Not sure about FS or BLM boon docking rules but if there are any hints of bears in the area it will be prohibited since bears like the smell of dish washing liquids, shampoos, etc.

What AS do you have? 25 and above have 37gal grey and 39 black and that is plenty for 2 to stretch out to a week. Smaller models are grey water challenged with the 23fb grey being border line at 30gal grey. Dump some of the dishwater into the toilet to make the grey tank last longer.

I personally am not a fan of dumping grey water onto the landscape and would find a dump station.

I measured how much a gallon of water takes up one of my kitchen and bathroom sink bowels as well as the toilet to try to understand how much water can be potentially use.

Running the shower until the hot water gets through to be comfortable wastes about a gallon on my 25fb and takes about 30 seconds to pump a gallon.

My biggest issue with boon docking is getting my wife to do it. She's too scared of the worse case security scenario.

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Old 12-08-2014, 01:36 PM   #21
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I measured how much a gallon of water takes up one of my kitchen and bathroom sink bowels as well as the toilet to try to understand how much water can be potentially use.

Running the shower until the hot water gets through to be comfortable wastes about a gallon on my 25fb and takes about 30 seconds to pump a gallon.
A sponge bath can be taken for less than a gallon of water (all but washing your hair, which obviously isn't a problem for me) using water heated on the stove in a teakettle and poured into a stoppered bathroom sink. No wastage. Rinse with a damp sponge, soap up, rinse again with a wetter sponge to take the soap off.

Also, waterless hand sanitizer can be used to further reduce your water usage. Just because it's called "hand" sanitizer doesn't mean you can only use it on your hands. Use it anywhere except around your eyes.
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Old 12-08-2014, 01:55 PM   #22
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Running the shower until the hot water gets through to be comfortable wastes about a gallon on my 25fb and takes about 30 seconds to pump a gallon.
I collect that cold water in a pan and use for dishes or flushing.

Using an Oxygenics shower head I can shower using less than a gallon. Camp Soap (like Dr. Bronner's) rinses much easier than regular soap and saves a bunch 'o water.

I think the new porcelain toilets use much more water to flush than the old kind I had in my '07.
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I am in the process of getting an International 28 and also setting it up for extended boon docking. I am throwing this out there and am interested in comments. I have looked at compost toilets (Airhead and Nature's Head) including the amusing video on You Tube from Gone with the Wynns called The Big and Dirty Questions about Composting Toilets. If used correctly, they appear to work well and are also popular on boats for extended cruising. They separate liquid from solid. The solids are mixed with peat or coconut husks and turned into topsoil which can be bagged every few weeks and dumped into the trash. No objectionable smell at all - just the lovely aroma of rich topsoil - seriously. The liquid is separated and goes into its own tank which I think holds two to three gallons and must be emptied into a toilet or dump station. Done this way, the black water tank is available to join with the gray water tank increasing capacity significantly. I would welcome comments especially from anyone with actual experience.

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There have been some threads about composting toilets. Try searching for them- searching isn't very easy on this site, but worth a try.
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I collect that cold water in a pan and use for dishes or flushing.

Using an Oxygenics shower head I can shower using less than a gallon. Camp Soap (like Dr. Bronner's) rinses much easier than regular soap and saves a bunch 'o water.

I think the new porcelain toilets use much more water to flush than the old kind I had in my '07.
I wish Oxygenics shower head came in oil bronzed finish. I have a bronzed Moen set up with the temperature controlled valve so that is probably why I'm having to run the water for 30 seconds to get to correct temperature. I guess I could swap all that out for a normal Hot or Cold chrome or nickel finish valve and hose assembly.

I have a plastic Thetford. When I filled the bowl with 1 gallon of water it came close to the top of the bowl, much more than I would ever use.

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I have one of the big blue totes

My friends say, " You must have just bought thatÖ.it still has the wheels " Mine still has the wheels because I have never towed it. I only used it because the pumping truck can't hook right up to my camper, so it hasn't really had to move very far
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Again. Put the empty tank in the truck. Then fill it with a macerator pump. Take the slinky with you to the dump station.
If you use a 12 gallon tote and have a larger holding tank. How do you not spill from the slinky when you disconnect. Some will say, " just crack the dump valve". I say "that defeats the purpose of the valve". Since you want good flow to remove the solids.


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KJRitchie,

If it really bugs you, there is a craft product called Rub and Buff. It is wax and paint, basically. You rub it on with your finger and buff off with an old rag. It is at craft stores or online. You could use this to rub oil rubbed bronze onto other metal finishes and see if you prefer that look.
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