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Old 05-11-2007, 07:59 PM   #85
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About an hour later I was pullin into the Sacramento AS dealer. The phone rang it was Mr. Lingenfelter.We had quite a long discussion, to make it short. Yes Susans trailer was self contained, the host has no authority to eject campers, thats the Park Rangers job. If someone pulled in in the late part of the day and a discrepancy was found it is his districts policy to work things out the next morning, as he stated the purpose of the Ca. Park System is for folks to enjoy the real estate.He was very apologetic for the hosts lack of grey matter. He went on to say that the reason for no totes was that in the past campers were dumping them in the toilets and spilling stuff on the ground etc. He stated the Ca. Coastal Commission was really watching Seacliff for infractions. He also said that this area is pretty much for RVs, and that within a few miles were 2 other state parks more suitable to trailers. I said hows someone from New Mexico posta know that? They just want to watch the sun go down and wet their toes in the Pacific. When I mentioned the 4" line thing I could feel him shaking his head and rolling his eyes. Then I mentioned the article in the camp guide that made unfavourable comments about the host at seacliff. He wanted to know what Exactly was the name ot the publication and what year it was published. So would the member who posted that info please PM me. He did indicate in the past there was a host there that they told to go down the road and never come back.
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Old 05-11-2007, 08:10 PM   #86
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He was very insistant on speaking or contacting Susan directly to offer up his apologies and try to make things right with her. PM me BHL!! He also said he wished more campers that had problems with hosts would report them, thats his best way of finding out whats going on. Also we both agreed that a internet forum is not the place for him to be posting State affairs, I agreed with him and he really does want to speak with B H L. All in all I felt that Mr. Lingenfelter is a stand up kinda guy, he said he will IMMEDIATELY be correcting this problem. I told him if he needed help I was only 130 miles away. I'm sure I've left something out , so ask away fellow campers, I'll do my best to recall our conversation.
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I also would like to add that Mr. Lingenfelter was the pinnacle of a professional at all times and I'm confident that his actions will be swift and fair. So that ate up a lot of my day. The New Airstreams, well just more aluminum with a few nice floorplans. BTW he also indicated that he had a few other complaints that the Sacramento office had sent his way about this same incident. So anyone else need a junk yard dog? D(little o)G
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Old 05-11-2007, 08:27 PM   #88
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Thanks for doing such a terrific follow up DG! I've heard that Lingenfelter was a pretty decent guy. Working with a zero budget, by the way...
While walking the dogs on the path that goes along the park, we've seen lots and lots and lots of trailers there, including Airstreams of all ages; many very vintage. We look for them, and when we ask an SOB or two if they've seen one, sighting reports are always enthusiastic. "A real purty one down by the wall..." etc.
There was absolutely no reason to make Bill and Susan feel so uncomfortable that they had to leave, even if they weren't actively booted. Glad to hear they'll at least be officially apologized to.
Susan, your posts had us in stitches today. It's way too easy to picture the torpedos-and-shorts family!
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Old 05-11-2007, 08:54 PM   #89
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A Funny Thing Happened On The Way to the Dinosaur

First picture this:
My wife and I along with my 3 year old granddaughter were visiting Dinosaur National Monument. This was in my VW Westfalia Camper Hippy Van days. I have a beard and hair past my shoulders in a braid. I roll my own cigarettes with Bugler tobacco.

After visiting the museum we began to walk out to the van in the parking lot. I noticed several park service and a county sheriff unit. They noticed me as we got closer to the van. The deputy said we were "observed by an off duty narcotics officer using a controlled substance, the drug sniffing dog is on the way, I advise you to cooperate if you know what's good for you". The park ranger gave me a wink as if to say just go along with this guy. To no avail I tried to explain about the Bugler tobacco. The drug sniffing dog named Sparky was sniffing his way through the VW as a tourist train of blue hairs drove by and in unison dropped their jaws. Sparky found nothing but some dirty underwear and we were free to go. Oh yeah, my granddaughter got an autographed photo of Sparky. I thought the whole episode was pretty hilarious. My wife, unfortuneately, did not share my viewpoint
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This is amazing!

I PM'd Doorgunner with the contact info for me and Bill to pass on to Mr. Lingenfelter. Again, our gratitude to all you wonderful Streamers who were outraged by this and wanted to defend the honor of your beautiful state. I know I would do the same thing if something similar happend in New Mexico. However, as I told DG, NM is a very poor state and we depend on tourism as an "industry". I just figured since CA was a rich state, well, it didn't matter...

Just to clarify a few things that got a little twisted in the many tellings of this tale. We were indeed told by the "campground host" "You'll have to leave if you're going to use that"...referring to the blueboy. I asked if we'd get a refund and he whipped out his wallet and started peeling off the bills. (We'd paid by check at the check-in station)

And, actually we choose Seacliff because of the stellar review in Foghorn Outdoors West Coast RV Camping: The complete guide to more than 1800 RV Parks and Campgrounds in California, Oregon and Washington, First Edition 2004. I personally disagreed with it because paved parking lots, are, in my opinion, not campgrounds and I disputed its rating of a 10. I wouldn't know about the beach since we only saw it briefly and never got a chance to experience it or walk over to the cool-looking concrete boat thing mentioned in the review along with the great sunsets.

As for, also in my opinion, the lame excuse that totes aren't allowed because people spill them when they dump them in the restrooms... That sounds like, babies shouldn't allowed because some lazy mother might leave a wadded up disposable diaper on the counter in the rest room. Absolutely more harmful than spilled tote water.

Here's the thing--little soapbox rant here--The term "wastewater" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. Water is the most precious substance on this planet and Americans are the most wasteful of it of any nation. I studied rainwater and grey water harvesting in Australia in the hopes of starting a business focused on that. Unfortunately, we were about 10 years too soon and it went bust. Australia is the driest continent on the planet. In 80% of the country 100% of the people rely on rainwater for all their water because there is no ground or surface water. Gray water is not this evil, foul, toxic substance that must be poured down drains. It should be used on plants. Soil microbes deal with any bacteria. Of course you should not reuse it as potable water, but it's ok for flushing toilets, watering landscape etc. If somebody spilled their grey water in a bathroom it was no worse than letting the shower water run over and I'm sure the Parks dept. wouldn't call the hazmat team for that. I think there is some huge misunderstanding of the difference between grey water--which is basically soapy water--and black water which has fecal waste in it.

I hope this whole thing might spark a new insight on the whole grey-water issue and why we should not regard any water as wastewater.
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Thumbs up You Go Girl!!!!!!!!!!!!

Susan,

I'm sure that you are the right persoin to set Mr. Lingenfeld straight on the 'wastewater issue' and I bet he is very responsive to what you tell him.

Glad that there will be a positive conclusion to your episode.

And Door Gunner, WAY TO GO!!!. I got your back anytime you need it!
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:49 PM   #92
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Well put. And another reason for those who recharge their wastewater into the environment to use biodegradable soaps. The problem is the oaf minority who dump bits and pieces, toxic detergents, and lots of grease along with the water...Something that can't be monitored closely, and ends up requiring an all-inclusive ban.
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what a great idea send this 4 " pilgrim on a ferry boat one way to the "great white north"
Uh, we certainly don't want him!
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I think there is some huge misunderstanding of the difference between grey water--which is basically soapy water--and black water which has fecal waste in it.

I hope this whole thing might spark a new insight on the whole grey-water issue and why we should not regard any water as wastewater.
sullage i say!

Greywater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well you've got folks doing neat things for ya now...

don't blow it by giving the cali park man your view on waste water....

unless you're wearing diapers and rubber shorts while bathing,

the analysis offered is mostly incorrect and completely misleading.

there is a pretty good piece on waste water, it IS water with human waste in it, and where the name derives,

a few issues ago, in airstream life, folks might want to find and read this.

it is so NOT an oxymoron, while the phrase oxymoron is cutely misused.

grey tank water contains virtually every microbe that is in the black tank...

coliforms, viruses, parasites, protzoa and so on, just more dilute.

it also contains undigested food matter, grease, fats, human skin and blood and bodily fluids, hair, soaps, detergents, household cleaners and so on...

in many ways grey water is a much bigger issue than black tank water.

sure it can be salvaged. virtually all dirty water can be made potable with the right technology.

but suggesting it's "basically soapy water" is basically incorrect...

Wastewater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and WHY parks have so many issues with blue toters....

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Hi, Thanks 2air. Thanks for that pretty picture of what grey water really is. I almost wish I didn't read it, but education is always good for us. I liked it better thinking grey water was just soapy dish and bath water.
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sure bob...

and i liked takin a whiz at various points along the continental divide...

while selecting a coast/ocean toward which it would flow

gives a whole new meaning to the term drainage basins...

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Hi, 2air. By the colors or shades of grey on your map, does that mean that Mexico has the best grey water and Canada has the worst grey water? Thus leaveing the USA right in the middle on location and grey water.
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Today's story has me concerned for a number of reasons. I looked at a 1961 22' Safari AS, and fell in love with it for all the wrong reasons. That's how love is I guess, but the lady that is selling it just bought it and she didn't seem to really know about the way the black and gray water system worked. She said that they just went together into one tank, but I don't think so . . . I have a feeling that the gray is separate and you have to catch it with an outside tank of sorts, and reading your stories supports my fears. My other concern is her price, of over $13,000, and it has been "upgraded" in some ways that are not very AS. I still love it. I worry so, that I might be getting in over my head with a maintenace nightmare. I'm going to go to the Newport Beach Vintage Show if I can hold off my enthusiasm for a whole week and look at the rigs there. I don't think that her's will sell this week at the price that she is asking, but if it does, maybe that will be a blessing. Geeee, it has the cutest pink sink and tub in the bathroom. Any ideas for a lovesick gal?
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